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Oregon militia threatens showdown with US agents at wildlife refuge
theguardian.com ^ | 1//3/2015 | Jason Wilson

Posted on 01/03/2016 7:04:16 AM PST by rktman

Tensions over the treatment of two cattle ranchers in Oregon escalated into an armed standoff over the weekend when members of a rightwing militia occupied a wildlife refuge and threatened a confrontation with federal authorities.

Ammon Bundy, the son of the Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, who was at the heart of a notorious showdown over cattle grazing rights last year, was among at least a dozen heavily armed men who seized the headquarters of the Malheur wildlife refuge on Saturday afternoon and said they would stay indefinitely.

They occupied the building after an earlier peaceful protest over the treatment of two ranchers, Dwight Hammond and his son Steve, who are facing custodial sentences related to arson charges. Both are due to report to prison on Monday.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: banglist; blm; bundy; fedzilla; hammond; militiamen; oregon; overstepping; tyranny
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So, has anyone brought in janet reno to get her view on this? Shades of Waco/Ruby Ridge? The sad thing is that we already know what the lyin' king will do with this as he pushes to disarm law abiding citizens. Even sadder is the conviction on VERY questionable charges. Doing what you've been doing for years and now you're charged, arrested and convicted? More to follow I'm sure.
1 posted on 01/03/2016 7:04:17 AM PST by rktman
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To: rktman

Ever notice these urinalists never use the adjective “leftwing?”


2 posted on 01/03/2016 7:06:15 AM PST by glock rocks (I don't always talk to liberals, but when I do, I order the large fries.)
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To: rktman

I understand the passion involved. However, the timing couldn’t be worse. The ranchers asked for them to stand down. 0bama is coming back all fired up to go after the 2d amendment and guess what these folks did - provide a suitable crisis to justify his attacks.
We gotta pick our fights better folks. There may come to a time to pick up arms, but I don’t think we are there yet. And this doesn’t help the cause against 0bama.


3 posted on 01/03/2016 7:11:04 AM PST by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: rktman
... 20th Anniversary: Was The FBI Standoff With David Koresh Preventable

InfoFacts: The Branch Davidians

4 posted on 01/03/2016 7:13:16 AM PST by ETL (Ted Cruz 2016!! -- For a better, safer America)
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To: glock rocks

The Manchester Guardian regards “leftwing” as normal.


5 posted on 01/03/2016 7:15:27 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: rktman
a dozen heavily armed men

Yeah, yeah - as opposed to the surrounding "lightly armed" Fed gear queers with their HK full auto submachine guns, and their armored vehicles...

6 posted on 01/03/2016 7:17:00 AM PST by kiryandil ("When Muslims in the White House are outlawed, only Barack Obama will be an outlaw")
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To: Godzilla

Agree completely. These “militiamen” are coming across as a**holes. And if the Bundy kid’s interview with CNN is any indication incoherent a**holes at that.

Although I will say that given the Eric Holder precedent for armed take over and occupation of government facilities, the Bundy kid is now qualified to be US Attorney General ;-)


7 posted on 01/03/2016 7:17:18 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: Godzilla

Yep. Also, this involves a complex legal issue which few in the general public care to educate themselves about. Unlike terrorist attacks or crime or general tyranny, the media can paint this whichever way they want.


8 posted on 01/03/2016 7:17:21 AM PST by snowrip (Liberal? You are a socialist idiot with no rational argument.)
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To: rktman

Maybe they are going to bring Lon Horiuchi back out of retirement.


9 posted on 01/03/2016 7:17:29 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Godzilla
0bama is coming back all fired up to go after the 2d amendment and guess what these folks did - provide a suitable crisis to justify his attacks.

So, maybe 0Muslim needs to be told to "bring it".

What Would Trump Do?

10 posted on 01/03/2016 7:18:28 AM PST by kiryandil ("When Muslims in the White House are outlawed, only Barack Obama will be an outlaw")
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Maybe they are going to bring Lon Horiuchi back out of retirement.

Are the "heavily armed" men packing babies?

11 posted on 01/03/2016 7:19:17 AM PST by kiryandil ("When Muslims in the White House are outlawed, only Barack Obama will be an outlaw")
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To: glock rocks

Radical, anti-constitutionalist, socialist, leftwing extremists. Never see that anywhere either.


12 posted on 01/03/2016 7:19:28 AM PST by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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To: Godzilla

Roger that. Big picture folks. Then again, maybe this is going to set things off. Sad situation in any case. How many of the “militamen” will end up charged, arrested and convicted in the end?


13 posted on 01/03/2016 7:22:01 AM PST by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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To: kiryandil

That’s what Lon specialized in...


14 posted on 01/03/2016 7:22:20 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: kiryandil

Did you know that he was also at Waco?


15 posted on 01/03/2016 7:22:54 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Godzilla

Perhaps not. But the Rubicon has been crossed here. Thus we await the feds response.


16 posted on 01/03/2016 7:24:12 AM PST by onedoug
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To: rktman

This won’t end well for the Bundys


17 posted on 01/03/2016 7:24:34 AM PST by bigbob ("Victorious warriors win first and then go to war" Sun Tzu.)
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To: rktman

The only terrorists in this and similar scenarios is the federal government who illegally and unconstitutionally hold state lands. Unconstitutional federal acts are acts of tyranny.

Art I, Sec 8, Cl 17 of the U.S. Constitution makes it clear that the feds may hold land in a state IF

1) the purpose for the land is for NEEDFUL federal buildings like forts or dock-yards and

2) the feds purchased the land after the state legislature consents

Most federal lands do not meet this test and should, therefore, transfer back to the states either willingly or by state commandeering the lands.

“Feel good” National Parks, for instance, are unconstitutional. Notice that unconstitutional federal acts, like National Parks, no matter how good it feels at the time, can turn ugly at any time, because tyranny never remains benign.

Government by nature is not a benign agent. Government is at its core is an agent of force. That is why the federal government must be ruled and limited by the Constitution, the Supreme Law of the Land.


18 posted on 01/03/2016 7:24:53 AM PST by Jim W N
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To: rktman; Travis McGee
Interesting comment on a Guardian article: "I'm in Oregon. These guys took over a headquarters building but it's kinda like an old brick house your grandma would live in and it's at least 50 miles from nowhere. You guys have a good time."
19 posted on 01/03/2016 7:26:19 AM PST by Lazamataz (It has gotten to the point where any report from standard news outlets must be fact-checked.)
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To: Godzilla

The media is salivating over this one. Expect them to be sticking microphones in the GOP presidential candidates faces asking them if they think these militia types represent the Republican Party.


20 posted on 01/03/2016 7:30:31 AM PST by dowcaet
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