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Trump, Cruz, and Evangelical Authenticity
Joeseph Castleberry.com ^ | J.Castleberry

Posted on 12/30/2015 5:13:45 PM PST by VinL

Recently, Donald Trump turned his guns on Ted Cruz (and by extension, on Marco Rubio) by questioning the authenticity of Cruz's Evangelical faith. He urged Iowa caucus goers to consider, when they cast their votes, that "not a lot of Evangelicals come out of Cuba" (see video at http://youtu.be/kFAQ3t2vbyw).

On the face of the matter, Trump's comment was incredibly disrespectful and unmannerly. But just as importantly, it demonstrated his total ignorance (or intentional twisting) of the facts of Cruz's history and of Evangelical faith itself.

First, Cruz never "came out of Cuba," having been born in Canada to an American mother and a Cuban immigrant father. But the greater ignorance on Trump's part involves the very conversion experience that makes a person an Evangelical.

Trump considers himself a Presbyterian apparently because he was born to Presbyterian parents who baptized him as an infant. Accordingly, he asks voters to make a series of unfounded leaps of unreason: (1) Cruz father was Cuban, and half of all Cubans are Roman Catholics and roughly 40% are non-religious, therefore (2) there is a 90% chance that Cruz' father was not an Evangelical and therefore (3) would not have baptized his infant son as an Evangelical.

Not only does Trump twist the facts, but he commits a logical error known as the "genetic fallacy",suggesting that Cruz's identification as an Evangelical is false because of where he came from.

Trump has already demonstrated that he has no internal knowledge of Evangelical faith on prior occasions, but in this case he completely proves that he has no clue what it means to be an Evangelical. Although some Evangelical churches baptize infants, no one is an Evangelical based on natural birth.

Evangelicals believe in a set of religious principles that include the centrality of Jesus Christ and his redeeming death on the Cross, the authority of the Bible, the responsibility of every Christian to evangelize others, and most importantly, the need for every human being to be "born again." Even people born into Evangelical families become Evangelicals through personal conversion, not natural birth. So, the place of a person's natural birth is utterly irrelevant.

In the cases of Cruz and his father, both have compelling conversion narratives (and subsequent "personal testimonies") that ring true to Evangelicals, unlike Trump's hollow asseverations of being an "Evangelical, a Presbyterian," and a "middle of the road" Christian.

The largest Presbyterian body in America, the Presbyterian Church in the USA, is not Evangelical at all, but rather a mainline Protestant denomination like the United Churches of Christ, to which Barack Obama apparently still belongs. (Both denominations, however, do include a few Evangelical congregations.) Very few Evangelicals would consider themselves "middle of the road Christians."

One more item that should be considered is the burgeoning Evangelical movement in Cuba. While accurate numbers on religious affiliation are hard to obtain in a communist country, Evangelicals now outnumber Catholics at Sunday morning worship in Cuba, showing a much higher degree of fervency.

Somewhere between 10 and 20% of the population confesses Evangelical faith, and the percentage is rising rapidly. It is not ridiculous at all to expect new arrivals from Cuba to be Evangelicals, especially since they face considerable opposition from the government, resentment from Catholic neighbors, and greater economic challenges, and are thus more likely to immigrate to the United States.

Everything Donald Trump said about the faith of Ted Cruz is wrong, in terms of both common decency and the facts. And as I alluded earlier, although Marco Rubio identifies as a Catholic, his powerful conversion story also makes perfect sense to Evangelicals. His story of beginning in the Catholic faith, moving into Mormonism, finding Christ in an Evangelical church, and returning to serve God in the Catholic Church rings true to Evangelicals (even if they don’t agree with his decision to return to the Roman Catholic fold).

As for Donald Trump's confession of Christian identity, it makes no sense at all to Evangelicals. While it is true that a group of Evangelical pastors recently prayed for him, it is the very essence of their faith to pray for people. There isn’t a pastor in the country who wouldn’t gladly "lay hands on him," including Evangelical Latino pastors.

I would be surprised to find out that Ted Cruz has not prayed for him, or that he wouldn’t like to lay hands on (or slightly below) his head. Trump would do better among Evangelicals to confess no faith at all while promising to support their political values. No matter what he says or does, Evangelicals like me should be praying for him, as well as for all the other candidates of both parties.


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KEYWORDS: 2016primaries; cruz; cuba; evangelicals; tedcruz
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I'm not Evangelical- but, I thought those who are might find this article of interest.

I checked the author's bona fides, and he seems to be credentialed to speak to the matter.

1 posted on 12/30/2015 5:13:45 PM PST by VinL
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To: VinL
Does 'Evangelical' also include crazy Seven Mountains talk that Rafael Cruz professes?

According to his dad, Ted was among the evangelical Christians who are anointed as 'kings' to take control of all sectors of society and 'bring the spoils of war to the priests', thus helping to bring about a prophesied 'great transfer of wealth' from the 'wicked' to righteous gentile believers'.

No thanks.....

2 posted on 12/30/2015 5:24:30 PM PST by The Iceman Cometh (Proud Teabagging Barbarian Terrorist Hobbit Crazy Cracker Son-of-a-Bitch!)
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To: VinL
Trump's message is clear, and repulsive: Cruz is really a foreigner who's probably not telling the truth about his religious beliefs - native-born white Evangelicals should think twice about voting for him.
3 posted on 12/30/2015 5:24:37 PM PST by wideawake
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To: VinL

I pray for Trump and the other candidates every day.

In the Bible, God used people for good who had been murderers...David and Paul for example.

He’ll use Trump or anyone he chooses to accomplish His will.


4 posted on 12/30/2015 5:24:50 PM PST by bimboeruption (Nothing imtimidates evil more than when the redeemed become fearless.)
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To: The Iceman Cometh

Cruz’s father is running for President? I thought Cruz was.


5 posted on 12/30/2015 5:26:12 PM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake
Cruz’s father is running for President? I thought Cruz was.

Does Cruz share this belief? Does he agree with his father that he was 'anointed'?

Couple that with the way Cruz is targeting evangelicals makes me sour on Ted.

6 posted on 12/30/2015 5:28:25 PM PST by The Iceman Cometh (Proud Teabagging Barbarian Terrorist Hobbit Crazy Cracker Son-of-a-Bitch!)
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To: VinL

A very compelling article.

Thank goodness we aren’t looking for a National Pastor.

Trump would be out and no one would be talking about The Wall, or sending illegals back, or Muslims, or getting our jobs back.


7 posted on 12/30/2015 5:30:53 PM PST by Balding_Eagle ( (The Great Wall of Trump ---- 100% sealing of the border. Coming soon.))
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To: The Iceman Cometh

You know what makes me sour?

Some buffoon getting on stage and waving a Bible and thinking people will be stupid enough to fall for his schtick.


8 posted on 12/30/2015 5:35:34 PM PST by CatherineofAragon (("A real conservative will bear the scars...will have been in the trenches fighting."--- Ted Cruz))
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To: VinL
Trump would do better among Evangelicals to confess no faith at all while promising to support their political values.

I couldn't agree more. I'm a bit perplexed that Trump doesn't understand this. The whole "born again" principle is well known when it comes to evangelicals.


9 posted on 12/30/2015 5:35:57 PM PST by FourPeas (Chocolate, sugar and lots of caffeine. Hard to beat that.)
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To: The Iceman Cometh

Trump’s a loose cannon in some respects, which doesn’t mean there isn’t anything to shoot at.

The good Lord could help Cruz transcend all this goofy theology. It’s God, ultimately, that cements a destiny.

But Trump should stick to flouting political follies. He knows that world. He doesn’t know the faith world that well.


10 posted on 12/30/2015 5:41:22 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: CatherineofAragon
Some buffoon getting on stage and waving a Bible and thinking people will be stupid enough to fall for his schtick.

Didn't you already see that I wasn't a fan of that either?

I don't like the way Cruz is pandering to evangelicals and I don't like when Trump feels he has to prove his religious cred.

Leave that crap for Sunday.

Maybe if Cruz would work on his 'shtick' he had more support.

11 posted on 12/30/2015 5:42:39 PM PST by The Iceman Cometh (Proud Teabagging Barbarian Terrorist Hobbit Crazy Cracker Son-of-a-Bitch!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
The good Lord could help Cruz transcend all this goofy theology. It’s God, ultimately, that cements a destiny.

The problem is that Seven Mountains theology is not biblical, therefore not Christian.

12 posted on 12/30/2015 5:44:09 PM PST by The Iceman Cometh (Proud Teabagging Barbarian Terrorist Hobbit Crazy Cracker Son-of-a-Bitch!)
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To: FourPeas

Trump isn’t easy to puzzle out. I posit that there seems to be some evidence for “weak believer.” Some evangelical followings have asserted a parallel between Trump’s situation and that of the benefactor of Israel, Cyrus the Great, who wasn’t any kind of overt worshiper but nonetheless the Lord moved him. (Maybe when he saw what resulted, he then was moved to be a worshiper?)


13 posted on 12/30/2015 5:46:31 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: The Iceman Cometh

It sounds like a speculative twist on bible theology. I’ve seen that kind of thing in other contexts.

Just saying that to believe some wrong things on earth doesn’t preclude some manner of Christian service as well.


14 posted on 12/30/2015 5:47:42 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: The Iceman Cometh

Do you think that anybody gives any credence to your posts; even remotely? Just asking.


15 posted on 12/30/2015 5:47:48 PM PST by VinL (It is better to suffer every wrong, then to consent to wrong.)
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To: VinL
Do you think that anybody gives any credence to your posts; even remotely? Just asking.

You did. You responded. BOOM! Confetti.

16 posted on 12/30/2015 5:50:36 PM PST by The Iceman Cometh (Proud Teabagging Barbarian Terrorist Hobbit Crazy Cracker Son-of-a-Bitch!)
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To: VinL

Well, this is not the first story of spiritual eccentricities about Cruz, let’s put it that way.

Now maybe today, with flaccid church guidance, a passionate Christian is very likely to go off in some wild direction.

But still, Christians should know about this. If only to pray that it does not trip Cruz up. He doesn’t need to make it as a presidential candidate in order for a problem like what is alleged, unmet, to prove a problem for America.


17 posted on 12/30/2015 5:51:43 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: The Iceman Cometh
According to his dad, Ted was among the evangelical Christians who are anointed as 'kings' to take control of all sectors of society and 'bring the spoils of war to the priests', thus helping to bring about a prophesied 'great transfer of wealth' from the 'wicked' to righteous gentile believers'.

Horse crap. Had that play run on me before - totally bull. See here.

18 posted on 12/30/2015 5:52:12 PM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: The Iceman Cometh

I think Cruz has spent enough time standing up for constitutional government to give him the benefit of the doubt that he does not subscribe to his father’s idiosyncratic notions.


19 posted on 12/30/2015 5:52:45 PM PST by wideawake
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To: The Iceman Cometh

Yeah, it’s like complaining about the restaurant that is so crowded that nobody goes there :-)


20 posted on 12/30/2015 5:52:57 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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