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The Great Bait and Switch: Why a conservative Reagan won two landslides, and moderates always lose
Jewish Political Updates ^ | December 27, 2015 | Shlomo Pollak

Posted on 12/27/2015 4:04:13 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

The dabate continues: do we stick to our principles, or do we run to the middle?

Since Romney’s shocking defeat, this debate has taken on a new sense of urgency, with the thinking that if Obama was reelected, even Hillary can win this thing?!?

Nobody changed teams, obviously…. The moderates remained moderates, and are “now more then ever”, energized to crush the right wing, that “cost us” an important election….

The conservatives, are equally incredulous, and fear a do-over with another moderate, will net us exactly the same results as last time….

THIS DABATE ACTUALLY SEEMS TO BE, BETWEEN REASON AND HISTORY!!!

On the one hand, the moderates’ argument seems correct, and more reasonable. The closer one is to the middle, the more of the electorate he should be able to capture. In a two party system, there is nothing to the right of the GOP candidate, no matter how moderate he is…

(Excerpt) Read more at jpupdates.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona; US: California; US: Massachusetts; US: New York; US: Texas
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1 posted on 12/27/2015 4:04:13 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The author landed directly on the cause of the problem without realizing it.

Over and over we nominate a Bob Dole, a Mcain, a Romney, and over and over WE LOSE?!?!

Not we, but the electorate in general which has moved to the left since Reagan. We're not going to get a Conservative nominated again without winning the electorate over to Conservative values.

And to those who want to say "voter fraud" or other trickery, even if you're right we'll still need to win over enough voters to overcome these obstacles.

2 posted on 12/27/2015 4:16:11 PM PST by TwelveOfTwenty (See my home page for some of my answers to the left's talking points.)
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3 posted on 12/27/2015 4:16:41 PM PST by Libloather (Embrace the suck)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“The conservatives, are equally incredulous, and fear a do-over with another moderate, will net us exactly the same results as last time”

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.


4 posted on 12/27/2015 4:19:34 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (There's a right to gay marriage in the Constitution but there is no right of an unborn baby to life.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"...THIS DABATE ACTUALLY..."

B dis writ in Ebonics?

5 posted on 12/27/2015 4:22:43 PM PST by Paladin2 (my non-desktop devices are no longer allowed to try to fix speling and punctuation, nor my gran-mah.)
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You’ve never misspelled a word? Really?


6 posted on 12/27/2015 4:25:09 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (TED CRUZ. You can help: https://donate.tedcruz.org/c/FBTX0095/)
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You’ve never misspelled a word? Really?


7 posted on 12/27/2015 4:25:09 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (TED CRUZ. You can help: https://donate.tedcruz.org/c/FBTX0095/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Not with the benefit of editors.


8 posted on 12/27/2015 4:29:13 PM PST by Paladin2 (my non-desktop devices are no longer allowed to try to fix speling and punctuation, nor my gran-mah.)
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To: Paladin2

Blogs have editors?


9 posted on 12/27/2015 4:33:08 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (TED CRUZ. You can help: https://donate.tedcruz.org/c/FBTX0095/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Winning takes a complete game: Offense, Defense, special teams; Air game, ground game, candidate, message.

And it always helps if the opposition mis-calculates.

Reagan won with a 4-stool strategy.
1) Get the anti-communist, pro-Israel vote.
2) Get the economic conservative vote.
3) Get the social conservative vote.

4) Be a likeable personality with a sense of humor.

Too many Republicans only mention the first 3 legs.

Furthermore, we now have as much domestic communism as foreign communism. And the Islamic extremist threat plays different from the communist threat.

So there is a need to adapt.


10 posted on 12/27/2015 4:33:36 PM PST by spintreebob
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
Not we, but the electorate in general which has moved to the left since Reagan. We're not going to get a Conservative nominated again without winning the electorate over to Conservative values.

REALLY... After a record-breaking, nation-wide, grassroots Republican takeover last midterm (MIDTERM!!!) driven almost entirely by the Tea party and the far right... /REALLY.

11 posted on 12/27/2015 4:34:11 PM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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Reagan won the moderates- by any useful definition of ‘moderate’.


12 posted on 12/27/2015 4:36:42 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I dunno? See my tagline....

I'll just note that AmiPro used to have a good spell check and a pretty darn good Grammar Checker.

13 posted on 12/27/2015 4:36:46 PM PST by Paladin2 (my non-desktop devices are no longer allowed to try to fix speling and punctuation, nor my gran-mah.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Good article, gives a plausable explaination to why we lose when we run Dole, McCain, or Romney.


14 posted on 12/27/2015 4:44:47 PM PST by TruthWillWin (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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Conservatism and the conservative candidate need to be
constantly defended from the MSM onslaught through the
the general election campaign.Like the Bill Clinton quick
response team in campaigns of old not one cheap shot
gets by unchallenged, not ever. Promotion of conservatism
really requires education and defense against the lying
libs.


15 posted on 12/27/2015 4:46:44 PM PST by Sivad (Juan Corona would vote for Democrats)
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To: roamer_1

Yes, REALLY. During the presidential elections when the stakes, and the over all turnout, are much higher.


16 posted on 12/27/2015 4:54:51 PM PST by TwelveOfTwenty (See my home page for some of my answers to the left's talking points.)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
Yes, REALLY. During the presidential elections when the stakes, and the over all turnout, are much higher.

Riiight... Run another moderate or worse - No sense learning anything from the last two times. Keep it up. Maybe you'll find that mythical 'middle' that the Conservatives stay home for. Sheesh.

17 posted on 12/27/2015 5:10:15 PM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And American Jews will continue to vote Democrat


18 posted on 12/27/2015 5:15:59 PM PST by stocksthatgoup (Trump and Cruz are not attacking each other. Why don't their follows take note)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

Both Cruz and Trump seem to be doing just that.

The party elites hated Reagan for the same reasons they hate and fear Trump and Cruz. Time for the people to take their country back


19 posted on 12/27/2015 5:17:57 PM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: roamer_1
Riiight... Run another moderate or worse

Please read my original post on this thread, where I said we have to win the electorate over to Conservative values if we're going to get a Conservative nominated.

20 posted on 12/27/2015 5:20:31 PM PST by TwelveOfTwenty (See my home page for some of my answers to the left's talking points.)
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