Posted on 12/17/2015 7:40:06 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans
Reading the knee jerk and fact free reactions of folks is amusing. Lucky for me there are no stones, as I might have already been stoned, or tied up and burnt as a witch. Well, I’d whip you all even if there were stones at your disposal :P
Your post is full of establishment lies and propaganda.
Yep, and he could have even wrote a response like mine, demonstrating the history of that fight, and how his views were STILL better than Rubio's. But Cruz doesn't want to do that.
I'd ask you to "be specific," but I've asked folks a thousand times for specifics, and have never had anyone ever challenge me on any specific facts.
Posted this on earlier thread but worth a repost here as it fits.
It’s interesting how Trumpophiles only attempt to tear down their opponents rather than building up their chosen candidate.
I suspect it’s quite difficult to make someone with such a long and distinguished history of liberal positions look appealing to the conservative base.
It’s far easier to tear down the competition with sophomoric spin and disingenuous interpretation of motives then try and justify Trumps support of Kelo, Single payer healthcare, Ethanol subsidies, Planned Parenthood, confiscatory taxes on the rich, opposition of Medicare/Social Security reform and donations to Democrat campaigns/causes.
Can’t blame em I guess.
Here are some inconvenient FACTS for Cruz supporters.
Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) met his wife, Heidi (née Nelson), while working on the George W. Bush presidential campaign of 2000. Heidi Cruz is currently head of the Southwest Region in the Investment Management Division of Goldman, Sachs & Co. and previously worked in the White House for Condoleezza Rice and in New York as an investment banker for J.P. Morgan. Wikipedia lists Heidi Cruz as an “investment banker†and a “historical member†of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR).
Heidi Cruz was a member of the CFR-sponsored Independent Task Force on the Future of North America, which was launched in October 2004. The Task Force advocates a greater economic and social integration between Canada, Mexico, and the United States as a North American region.
Comprised of a group of prominent business, political and academic leaders from the U.S., Canada and Mexico, the Task Force was organized and sponsored by the Council on Foreign Relations (U.S.), the Canadian Council of Chief Executives, and the Mexican Council on Foreign Relations. It was co-chaired by former Canadian Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Finance, John Manley, former Finance Minister of Mexico, Pedro Aspe, and former Governor of Massachusetts and Assistant U.S. Attorney General William F. Weld.
Its main publication is the 70-page Task Force Report #53 entitled, Building a North American Community (May 2005). Heidi Cruz is listed as a member of the Task Force (page 9 of the report in PDF) and described as “an energy investment banker with Merrill Lynch in Houston, Texas†who “served in the Bush White House under Dr. Condoleezza Rice as the Economic Director for the Western Hemisphere at the National Security Council, as the Director of the Latin America Office at the U.S. Treasury Department, and as Special Assistant to Ambassador Robert B. Zoellick, U.S. Trade Representative.â€
You nailed it.
I want to make a note of something:
If you read the thread, you will notice that the replies fall into two classes: 1) replies that are covered in the OP and in the previous thread I posted (the first link pasted into my OP); 2) Those which try to viciously distract from Cruz onto either Trump or his supporters.
The open minded observer should mark the significance of this.
Don’t take this the wrong way as I am a Cruz guy first and Trump guy second. In fact hope both antler on the same ticket. Lets say you are 100% correct. What makes one better than the other. On one hand you may have someone that supported it and has backed away. On the other hand you have a businessman who played both sides his whole career but undoubtedly has been a liberal most of his life.
Neither is 100% clean and neither was Reagan when he granted amnesty. My point is Cruz has been a consistent defender of Conservatism and the constitution with a long proven track record. He is also the closest thing to Reagan we have seen since Reagan himself. I’m putting my money behind Cruz because he truly is a conservative.
Actually the majority of replies are Cruz supporters refuting attacks on their man by Trumpohiles.
Our guy has 100% conservative rating as well so we have alot to crow about. Your guy....not so much.
No one can accuse Cruz supporters of open mindedness. They claim “purity” and demand obedience like the denizens of DU.
Group-think is what DC has become.
Time to be done with attorney politicians, especially those with absolutely no executive experience. How many people has Ted employed? Executive boards built and operated?
None. We’ve had the freshman senator experience, thank you. Not again - the learning curve is too steep for the time we have left.
Well, the statement: "Trump has been a liberal most of his life" is probably something that can be challenged, but which I will not bother to in this thread (as it is not relevant), and, anyway, I'm not in the mood after expelling so much energy in the research for the OP. But there is something I can and should address:
It's not just that Cruz backed away and changed (it's not entirely proved, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Cruz HAS changed), it's that he's lying about his past.
That's a different dynamic than the one you concede.
So go ahead and vote for Rubio or Jebcito if Cruz is so bad. And it isn’t like Trump is lily white on this and a host of issues. But let’s debate angels on the head of a pin while the country burns.
All of these vanities to try to paint Cruz as weak on immigration (the cynical intent to get Cruz supporters to switch to Trump), are just cynical ploys, and frankly dishonest.
It’s both sickening and sad..
So what do you dislike more, Cruz’s potential prior thoughts (heck, even call it current thoughts) on legal status (we agree, not citizenship, correct?) OR do you dislike more Cruz’s dogged refusal to admit a wrong?
It seems that Trump has the same refusal to admit past wrongs (or current ones— ala making fun of the disabled NYT reporter— how childish and undisciplined.)
And if Cruz wins the nomination, would you vote for him over the Democrat?
Exaclty, but I suspect it will wear thin eventually..
I see it as desperation. Why don’t they laud Trump on his record? He has a record. They know it. The one where he stood with the Clintons you know? This is as you said, cynical ploys, and its intellectual dishonesty. Liars will lose.
I’ll take a Freshman Senator with limited experience but proven constitutional conservative bonafides and brilliant mind over a successful businessman with a long track record of liberal positions and card carry Democrat just a scant 6 years ago.
“No one can accuse Cruz supporters of open mindedness. “
Unlike Trump supporters. Bwahahahahaha.
“Instead he reveals a character flaw.”
I will never vote for Cruz. All his wishy-washiness shows he has no true convictions and will be swayed by his donors or even the GOPe.
After 2014, I would think we’ve all been stabbed in the back enough.
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