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The Mystery of Missing Inflation Weighs on Fed Rate Move
Wall Street Journal ^ | Dec. 13, 2015 | Josh Zumbrun

Posted on 12/15/2015 3:41:27 AM PST by expat_panama

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To: expat_panama
Junk Bonds Send Ominous Warning to the Market http://www.barrons.com/articles/junk-bonds-send-ominous-warning-to-the-market-1450129053
21 posted on 12/15/2015 5:10:35 AM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: DaveA37

There is no inflation. There is full employment. That’s two lies by the Fed.


22 posted on 12/15/2015 5:15:48 AM PST by Flick Lives (One should not attend even the end of the world without a good breakfast. -- Heinlein)
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To: arthurus; All
Real inflation has been happening right along...   ...Wages in my job, security guard, have actually declined 10% over the last 5 years...

A wage is the price of labor, and wages going down mean that those prices are going down.   There are other prices and some are up and some down.   Here are the grand totals as of ten min. ago (direct from the CPI people at the BLS):

Table A. Percent changes in CPI for All Urban Consumers (CPI-U): U.S. city
 average
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                  Seasonally adjusted changes from             
                                          preceding month                      
                                                                          Un-  
                                                                       adjusted
                                                                        12-mos.
                              May   June  July  Aug.  Sep.  Oct.  Nov.   ended 
                              2015  2015  2015  2015  2015  2015  2015   Nov.  
                                                                         2015  
                                                                               
                                                                               
 All items..................    .4    .3    .1   -.1   -.2    .2    .0       .5
  Food......................    .0    .3    .2    .2    .4    .1   -.1      1.3
   Food at home.............   -.2    .4    .3    .3    .3    .1   -.3       .3
   Food away from home (1)..    .2    .2    .0    .2    .5    .2    .2      2.7
  Energy....................   4.3   1.7    .1  -2.0  -4.7    .3  -1.3    -14.7
   Energy commodities.......   9.6   3.1    .7  -4.1  -8.6    .4  -2.4    -24.2
    Gasoline (all types)....  10.4   3.4    .9  -4.1  -9.0    .4  -2.4    -24.1
    Fuel oil (1)............    .7  -1.9  -3.4  -8.1  -2.4  -1.1  -1.3    -31.4
   Energy services..........  -1.0    .2   -.6    .5   -.4    .2   -.1     -2.8
    Electricity.............  -1.2    .2   -.4    .3   -.5    .4    .3      -.2
    Utility (piped) gas                                                        
       service..............    .0    .3  -1.4   1.2   -.3   -.7  -1.9    -11.7
  All items less food and                                                      
     energy.................    .1    .2    .1    .1    .2    .2    .2      2.0

Nov. numbers show deflation; I'm wondering if the Fed believes it any more than the folks on this thread...

23 posted on 12/15/2015 5:41:40 AM PST by expat_panama
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To: DaveA37
A simple test is to have found an old grocery receipt for basic items as compared to today’s prices for the exact same items. Many of those items have nearly doubled in price.

Yeah, but your 75" TV has dropped 60% since last year...so to an economist it all balances out. :)

24 posted on 12/15/2015 5:44:17 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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To: Alberta's Child

We shouldn’t be shipping anything from Asia, we should make our own products here in the USA. Hopefully President Trump can turn this situation around.


25 posted on 12/15/2015 5:47:28 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: SVTCobra03

Yeah, folks have been talking about that. I got no clue as to what exactly it means but that won’t stop me from worrying about it...


26 posted on 12/15/2015 5:51:56 AM PST by expat_panama
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

economics is not a hard science,


but they can see their hands right in front of them.

A reference to the Invisible Hand they can’t see.............


27 posted on 12/15/2015 6:02:49 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: Mr. K

Debts are harder to pay off without inflation shrinking their burden.


It is wage inflation they want to see so they can have tax inflation and more money to spend.

They don’t care about the inflation you and I experience.


28 posted on 12/15/2015 6:05:36 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: PeterPrinciple
It is wage inflation they want to see so they can have tax inflation...

Then again it may be the fact that every single time someone receives a wage, someone else is paying it.  That's why I thing wage trends are important.  otoh, the Fed says it doesn't care about wages becuase it only looks at Personal Consumption Expenditures and not personal incomes.  In the month of Nov. energy costs fell, and that brought average prices for consumers back down to zero.

We could always leave out food and energy if we want and say Nov. had a 2.4% annual rate, but I don't know if Yellen wants to do that.

29 posted on 12/15/2015 6:22:25 AM PST by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama

There is no such thing as “missing inflation” or “inflation is not on track.” If their predictions are wrong, then they should say so.
Also, this shows that their goal is to raise prices generally, thus hurting people who were foolish enough to work honestly and save money so they would not become a burden in their old age.


30 posted on 12/15/2015 6:30:02 AM PST by I want the USA back (Patriarchal binary all original-equipment breeder and White-privileged crusader.)
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To: DaveA37

That’s getting even harder to do, because what was a “pound” may now be 14.6 ounces for the “same” product.


31 posted on 12/15/2015 6:31:29 AM PST by cincinnati65
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To: expat_panama

“Jobs are on track, but inflation isn’t...”

Workforce participation rate numbers provided by BLS along with a trip to the supermarket would suggest otherwise. Blind leading the blind with these BS assumptions will lead to epic failure.


32 posted on 12/15/2015 6:34:45 AM PST by zek157
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To: tbpiper
The Mystery of Missing Inflation Weighs on Fed Rate Move

The inflation figures broadcast by the 0bama Caliphate are much like the unemployment figures - "massaged" to make a non-existent recovery look grand so the kenyan commie looks good.

Take a look at the figures for the debt: The debt stayed unchanged until the congress, under the "leadership(?)" of Paul Ryno (Closet Muzzie, Wisconsin), raised it and then it jumped over $339 Billion overnight. My guess is that when we finally rid ourselves of the bastard in the white hut, inflation will soar, again overnight. If we restore a REAL President, they will immediately be faced with multiple crises on Day 1.

33 posted on 12/15/2015 6:39:43 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (The Clintons are dirtier than a muslim squat hole.)
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To: tbpiper

“Inflation isn’t missing, it’s just camouflaged.”

Excellent point. It is there.


34 posted on 12/15/2015 6:45:17 AM PST by CodeToad (Islam should be banned and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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To: expat_panama

Zero’s administration has used the “no inflation” B.S. at least 3 times to deny s.s. recipients a cost of living increase.


35 posted on 12/15/2015 6:47:55 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Bill and Hillary Clinton are the penicillin-resistant syphilis of our political system.)
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To: Mr. K
Everything is smaller, and more expensive.

My favorite is Walmart Great Value coffee. The price has stayed around $6.50. The size has gone from 39oz to 33.9oz to 27.8oz. This has been my goto for SHTF medicinal reasons. Purely a caffeine withdrawal measure. I'm not sure of the exact time peroiod but that's over 25% in 4 or 5 years.

36 posted on 12/15/2015 6:55:18 AM PST by Stentor (RIP -- Nicholas Thalasinos.)
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To: expat_panama
I got no clue as to what exactly it means...

How could you. Somewhere at Goldman Sachs (or lesser demonic entities) they've created derivatives of derivatives derived from their second cousin's once removed that have been conceived by idiot savants who have warned them that if they sell them to a Norwegian pension fund they're going to blow up and expand the need for the Norwegian dole. Caveat emptor say the financialist "conservatives". How much can we make says Heidi's boss, Lloyd.

Happened in 2008 and nobody went to jail in this Barky reign of the people. It will happen again.

37 posted on 12/15/2015 7:04:43 AM PST by Stentor (RIP -- Nicholas Thalasinos.)
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To: Stentor
Junk Bonds Send Ominous Warning to the Market

...got no clue as to what exactly it means...

...they've created derivatives...

The article doesn't mention derivatives.

38 posted on 12/15/2015 7:13:17 AM PST by expat_panama
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To: tbpiper

Well said.


39 posted on 12/15/2015 7:16:42 AM PST by MortMan (I am offended by those who believe they have a right not to be offended.)
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To: expat_panama
The article doesn't mention derivatives.

How perceptive of you. Tell me that there are no bets on the survival of junk bonds. ETFs? They're not derivatives. Do you know what they're holding? Ever hear of total return swaps? Somebody have to draw you a picture? They make things more volatile and are bound to leave bagholders when it all goes sideways.

40 posted on 12/15/2015 7:20:26 AM PST by Stentor (RIP -- Nicholas Thalasinos.)
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