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Huge News in Des Moines Register Poll: Cruz Surges to First with 31%, Trump Follows with 21%
PJ Media ^ | 12-13-2015 | Michael van der Galien

Posted on 12/13/2015 2:02:08 AM PST by Michael van der Galien

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To: Michael van der Galien

Where can I find “Cruz defense?” A neighbor whom I see on a regular basis has told me he’s not the right man for the job because he “wants to shut down government.”
This woman is in her 50’s, and has been all over the place politically. Used to like Hillary, doesn’t now. Ditto Obama. Ditto Trump. Still soft on Bubba. Thinks muslims are quietly invading America and they should be banned from immigrating. She’s Jewish but thinks Netanyahu is a warmonger. She’s pro-2A and served in the Army (which she never lets anyone forget!) She’s big on government largesse toward citizens and against nearly all foreign aid.
She’s more than twice my age and considers herself wise, so I want to be tactful. But everytime I mention Cruz she dismisses him.
I think I could turn her around if my talking points were a bit sharper.


41 posted on 12/13/2015 5:12:15 AM PST by Buttons12
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To: RonnG

Cruz debating HRC would be interpreted by the left as a smart bully intimidating the nice lady. HRC supporters would not be converted or amused and would come out with daggers to the polls. So many of our little conservative voters too don’t like conflict of this kind: that’s why the GOP-e claims to “play nice” to Dems but would kill real conservatives if given the chance.


42 posted on 12/13/2015 5:13:42 AM PST by Theodore R. (Liberals keep winning; so the American people must now be all-liberal all the time.)
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To: Buttons12

I predict this person will “come around” to HRC in November 2016 no matter what you say!


43 posted on 12/13/2015 5:14:54 AM PST by Theodore R. (Liberals keep winning; so the American people must now be all-liberal all the time.)
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To: pas
So you are saying Trump should be the nominee because he is electable. Just like McCain and Romney.

He must be, since the GOPe is scrambling to find someone else. Today's fave is Rubio. They're going to do something different this time, like run a young squish.

44 posted on 12/13/2015 5:17:21 AM PST by Buttons12
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To: pas
I tried to stay out of this but now you crossed the line between retarded and thoughtful. You just compared Trump to McCain and Romney. Please edify and enlighten on the similarities.
45 posted on 12/13/2015 5:18:59 AM PST by Awgie (truth is always stranger than fiction)
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To: Covenantor

orig: Santorum beat Romney by a mere four points

correction: Santorum beat Romney by a mere thirty four points


46 posted on 12/13/2015 5:20:24 AM PST by Covenantor ("Men are ruled-...by liars who passing refuse the. news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: Michael van der Galien

FOX News poll coming out today has Trump ahead in Iowa.


47 posted on 12/13/2015 5:21:07 AM PST by dforest
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To: Buttons12

I admire your tenacity. I would probably move.


48 posted on 12/13/2015 5:21:28 AM PST by Awgie (truth is always stranger than fiction)
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To: Theodore R.
I predict this person will "come around" to HRC in November 2016 no matter what you say!

She has said if it's Trump vs Clinton she'll vote Trump. Otherwise I wouldn't be talking politics with her at all!

49 posted on 12/13/2015 5:22:12 AM PST by Buttons12
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think this poll has been posted here well over a dozen times. I imagine the Cruzbots will post this outer poll a dozen more times before the end of the day.


50 posted on 12/13/2015 5:25:42 AM PST by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied, Otto Von Bismarck)
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To: Theodore R.

Remember too, they called out the liberal GOPer Rick Lazio in 2000 for “invading her space”. Hard to believe that was fifteen years ago now


51 posted on 12/13/2015 5:27:47 AM PST by Theodore R. (Liberals keep winning; so the American people must now be all-liberal all the time.)
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To: RonnG
Cruz has been fighting in the trenches for the conservative causes he believes in.

Just a shame he's a Canadian.

52 posted on 12/13/2015 5:30:33 AM PST by Yashcheritsiy (Aeterna Aduersus Tyrannos)
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To: Awgie
I admire your tenacity. I would probably move

LOL! I could buy her house if it came to that. And she's ready to play cowboys&muslims when the call comes. But she is, I think, representative of an enormous number of people in this country, with her very muddled and poorly informed politics.

53 posted on 12/13/2015 5:31:32 AM PST by Buttons12
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To: Buttons12

But if she “likes” her “Bill”, then won’t she convince herself that she can vote for HRC because “Bill” will run things any way. The “undecided” like her often make their choices for bizarre reasons. And so many, just won’t ever get over having “Bill” in the spotlight.


54 posted on 12/13/2015 5:31:41 AM PST by Theodore R. (Liberals keep winning; so the American people must now be all-liberal all the time.)
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To: safetysign
Do Iowans want their economy to do well or do they choose to follow the bible beating BVP?

If ethanol was so great it would sell itself on a free and open market, Instead the government makes people put that corn crap into their cars. It's welfare for iowa, that's all. Cruz is Conservative. It he wins then say goodbye to your welfare payments.

55 posted on 12/13/2015 5:33:18 AM PST by Sirius Lee (Cruz or Lose 2016)
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To: RonnG
Still, I see Cruz or even Rubio cutting into the left’s stronghold on the Hispanic vote. Cruz did receive 40% in 2012 so perhaps there is a possibility for a closer race in states like Florida and a few others.

You're making the fundamental error of assuming that all Hispanics are the same, that Mexican = Cuban = Puerto Rican = Guatemalan. Hispanics won't make that same error, not in a nationally important presidential race.

56 posted on 12/13/2015 5:33:19 AM PST by Yashcheritsiy (Aeterna Aduersus Tyrannos)
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To: Michael van der Galien

Not buying it.

(Carson)


57 posted on 12/13/2015 5:35:27 AM PST by Califreak (Hope and Che'nge is killing U.S. Feel the Trump-mentum!(insert ireallysupportCruzdisclaimerhere/))
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To: Sirius Lee

IIRC, Cruz was for ethanol until fairly recently, wasn’t he?


58 posted on 12/13/2015 5:35:42 AM PST by Yashcheritsiy (Aeterna Aduersus Tyrannos)
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To: RonnG

Cruz does fight in the trenches, but he never bothers to bring enough troops along with him to win.

Results do matter


59 posted on 12/13/2015 5:39:10 AM PST by dforest
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To: arthurus
"When we get Amnesty all opposition to the Democrat Party is finished in the time it takes to register 20 million new citizen voters which is what? two years? six months?"

We get amnesty with every candidate except Trump. Only Trump says enforce existing immigration law. Cruz is for legal status for illegals. So every candidate but Trump means 20 million (60 million really with chain immigration) new Marxist voters and the end of the American Republic and the end of the American middle class. Elect anyone but Trump and the progressive globalist have won and we the people have lost. The Cruz supporters just do not get how important this election is. Ted Cruz needs to be nailed down on immigration. If we had an honest media they'd ask him in every interview if he would deport those in the country illegally, he won't, Trump will.

60 posted on 12/13/2015 5:43:10 AM PST by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied, Otto Von Bismarck)
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