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Poll: Trump 36, Cruz 16, Carson 14, Rubio 12; Update: Flawed(So Says the MSM)?
Hotair ^ | December 4, 2015 | Allahpundit

Posted on 12/04/2015 2:09:09 PM PST by JSDude1

Lots of celebrating by Trump fans and despairing by Trump critics on social media today over this poll. It’s December, notes Philip Klein, and this guy’s now fully 20 points ahead nationally. And not only does he have a big lead, his lead’s gotten bigger: He’s up nine points since CNN last surveyed the country, thanks mainly to the decline of Ben Carson and Jeb Bush. His overall average in RCP’s tracker has now reached a new high of 30.8 percent. Trump critics have been sitting in the pumpkin patch waiting for the Great Pumpkin, i.e. Trump’s supposedly inevitable slide in the polls, for six months now. The CNN poll is evidence that the Great Pumpkin might not be coming.

Ron Brownstein was ahead of the curve in pinpointing the real split among Republican voters. It’s not “moderates” versus “conservatives” or “establishment” versus “tea partiers,” he argued in October, it’s blue-collar versus white-collar. Trump has consolidated a huge chunk of the blue-collar vote while the white-collar vote remains split among the rest of the field. Here’s a choice bit on that point from CNN’s new data. Advantage: Brownstein.

Republican voters are most sharply divided by education. Among those GOP voters who hold college degrees, the race is a close contest between the top four contenders, with Cruz slightly in front at 22%, Carson and Rubio tied at 19% and Trump at 18%. Among those without college degrees, Trump holds a runaway lead: 46% support the businessman, compared with 12% for Cruz, 11% for Carson and just 8% for Rubio.

(Excerpt) Read more at hotair.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bordersecurity; cruz; elections; immigration; middleclass; nationalsecurity; polls; trump; trumpwasright; workingclass; wot
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There is probably some truth to this blogger's assertion that Trump has tapped into work class Jacksonian styled nationalism vs. traditional conservatives/libertarians/socons that support cruz. If I were cruz I'd mimic Trump as he does believe in free-market populism and is a nationalist too.
1 posted on 12/04/2015 2:09:09 PM PST by JSDude1
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Also from this article (just below the excerpt):

That’s a good reason to think Trump’s strength will last into February. Realistically, no one’s going to cut deeply into his hold on blue-collar voters. Cruz is trying but the more I watch him, the more I think he’s ultimately a bad match for Trump fans. He’s trying to get to them entirely through immigration and tough talk about ISIS and the “Washington cartel,” but Trumpmania is more than that. Cruz sounds like a politician; he’s overtly evangelical, which, lord knows, Trump is not. And Cruz doesn’t pay nearly as much attention on the stump to blue-collar economic anxiety as Trump does. If you like Cruz, you like him because he’s a warrior for conservative dogma. If you like Trump, you like him because he talks a lot about lost jobs. That, even more than immigration, explains why he’s north of 30 percent now. If you disagree, go look at some of the eye-popping numbers Trump has banked when Republicans are asked who they trust most on the economy. Today’s CNN poll is no different:


2 posted on 12/04/2015 2:09:41 PM PST by JSDude1
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I think it’s worth noting that this is a CNN poll, not a FOX poll, or an Internet poll on a conservative website.

While I wonder who answers phone polls (I never do), I’d expect any bias to be liberal if CNN was polling and interpreting the results.


3 posted on 12/04/2015 2:13:33 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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If I were cruz I'd mimic Trump

They all started doing that many weeks ago. That didn't work out for them either.

4 posted on 12/04/2015 2:15:07 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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I’m glad you’re not Cruz.

He needs to stand on his core conservatism and ideals. If that does not win him the nomination....so be it.


5 posted on 12/04/2015 2:16:40 PM PST by traderrob6
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How is Trump doing against Clinton?


6 posted on 12/04/2015 2:16:59 PM PST by Signalman
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Hey I thought Carson was crashing and all his support was going to Cruz....so why don’t the number say that?


7 posted on 12/04/2015 2:17:06 PM PST by bigbob ("Victorious warriors win first and then go to war" Sun Tzu.)
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To: JSDude1

What more people than I can believe don’t understand, is that Trump is basically hawking the Reagan platform in much the same way Reagan did.

When Trump does it, it’s... “Eh..., who cares, he’s a statist.”

Was Reagan a statist?

The MSM is just spin, but folks who follow politics have no excuse whatsoever. Trump is hawking Conservatism, no matter how many times folks exhibit the failure to be able to grasp it.


8 posted on 12/04/2015 2:17:26 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Come on Obama, just fess up and put the Burka on. Be honest with everyone.)
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That's what I've been trying to say about Cruz. For all his outsider status, he still has been a part of the machine for a couple of years. The problem becomes that even when you "offer a bill" that purports to stop something Obama is doing, it's viewed less as a "good effort" than it is "SEE! That's the problem. All they do is offer bills that get defeated!"

Now, we all know how the Senate works and how pretty much isolated Cruz is. Most of his stuff has only one co-sponsor, Lee. So to people who look in from time to time from the outside, it's easy to get cynical---not about Ted, but about the situation where it's VIEWED like he has no power, hence, won't be able to "change things."

9 posted on 12/04/2015 2:18:45 PM PST by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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Trump is also getting a VERY large ( for a GOPer ) portion of black, Hispanic, and young voters. His appeal is deep, wide, and not just constant, but growing.

Trump talks like just a human being, NOT a lawyer, NOT a pol, NOT a green eyeshade guy. He says what WE say and post. When he promises something.....HE FOLLOWS THROUGH; it's NOT just "talk" !

10 posted on 12/04/2015 2:19:43 PM PST by nopardons
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Carson doesn't seem to campaign much and screws up every time he opens his mouth.

I have said it before...he's only in this for the money...bet he has spent little and bet it is to cronies anyway. So in the end, he gets to keep the money and give it to his favorite charity...he owns two.

11 posted on 12/04/2015 2:20:42 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: DoughtyOne

SPOT ON !


12 posted on 12/04/2015 2:21:04 PM PST by nopardons
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To: JSDude1

If even that schmuck AllahPundit has to acknowledge Trump is winning, you know things are looking bad for the GOPe.


13 posted on 12/04/2015 2:24:02 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: nopardons

Thank you.

= :^)


14 posted on 12/04/2015 2:24:37 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Come on Obama, just fess up and put the Burka on. Be honest with everyone.)
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To: dragnet2

People are going with their gut so they trust Trump.

Go Trump!


15 posted on 12/04/2015 2:27:00 PM PST by cradle of freedom
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To: nopardons

Trump is a regular Schmo who happens to have 10 billion.

Pray America wakes


16 posted on 12/04/2015 2:28:01 PM PST by bray (Trump/Cruz 2016)
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To: nopardons

Wonderful! :^D


17 posted on 12/04/2015 2:28:34 PM PST by cradle of freedom
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To: LS

Cruz worked with the Bush administration and his wife as well so there is likely more interaction between them than we may know about.


18 posted on 12/04/2015 2:31:44 PM PST by cradle of freedom
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If anyone is interested the rerun of the History Channel’s Trump feature

The Making of Trump
Friday, Dec. 4 .. 9:00 - 11:03pm EST
Saturday, Dec. 6 .. 1:01 - 3:04am EST

http://www.history.com/shows/the-making-of-trump/about


19 posted on 12/04/2015 2:39:14 PM PST by deport
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To: LS

Moreso than being a Senator for 3 years, Ted’s entire life has been geared towards running for President. He was trained as a lawyer, policy guy for GW, Texas Solicitor General, Senator and now Presidential candidate. He’s an establishment guy in every sense of the word, he’s just the best of the establishment guys running. Ted actually has conservative principles but he’s an absolute insider and beholden to the same monied interests the rest are, just a little more principled than the rest. It amazes me that the Cruz people on here don’t understand that Trump is exactly what we’ve been asking for for years. A man unbeholden to special interests, a man who says what he wants irrespective of political correctness and a man running on a conservative and unabashed America first platform. One can argue that the Cruz people also don’t grasp the sea change that’s happening right now in politics either. They want it to work the old way, just with a guy who’s part of the system but seems to be a conservative.


20 posted on 12/04/2015 2:47:47 PM PST by usafa92 (Conservative in Jersey)
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