Posted on 11/11/2015 4:27:28 PM PST by datura
First of all, I apologize for the vanity, but this is a subject that has been touched on inside the forum over the years briefly. Given the current political season and the focus on the illegals in our midst, I would like to bring this up again.
We discuss the use of E-verify and other eligibility sites for employers to use, but we have a governmental enemy working against us: The Social Security Administration itself. Of course, the problem has gotten much worse during the current regime, and local SSA offices have been given their marching orders for years now. (But no one talks about it.)
Here is how it works: An illegal immigrant will often use a stolen Social Security number, or an invalid one (from someone who is deceased - just like Obama did). The employer will accept the number, and the illegal begins working and paying taxes. So let's say the illegal doesn't get caught using the stolen number, and eventually gets a green card. What happens then is the infuriating part (or one of them).
The Social Security Administration then goes back and retroactively credits the "new worker" with all of the fraudulently obtained credits toward retirement or benefits.
Local offices of the SSA have been told that they WILL NOT prosecute this fraud - even if they use someone's number. There are countless examples of people finding out that they are somehow working a different job far away doing something they've never done before. I wonder how many people have had loans or mortgages taken out in their name?
Since the SSA operated by regulation, why can't one of our sitting Senators who are running for President address this with some action. (Yes, rhetorical I know.)
Thank you for your time.
Like OBAMA
Obama uses someone else’s so what’s the problem
It is highly recommended, especially for those with Hispanic names, that you run credit checks on your children a couple years before they reach 18. That will give you time to get their credit fixed if their SSN has been used by an illegal. They don’t just use them for employment, they also use them to apply for loans, etc.
It is the retroactive credit that gets me. They should credit the account of the person whose number was used.
And prosecute for fraud
Aside from the outrageous behavior of the SSA in facilitating the crime, it points out one more serious problem with any Amnesty.
The illegals have committed far more crimes then just crossing the border “without inspection”.
Their everyday existence is one long string of State and Federal felonies: tax evasion, work without authorization, driving without license, fraud against their employers (”I yam a ceet-ee-zen!”), etc etc.
Any amnesty will have to absolve them of ALL of these crimes.
If not, then by what right does our government arrest any of us?
The laws are selectively applied.
Too big to jail?
The SSA knows who is using fraudulent and stolen SSNs. They are complicit in the crime.
How Undocumented Workers Are Becoming Entitled To Social Security
Q: How can illegal immigrants get Social Security? They don’t pay taxes!
A: That’s a common misconception. According to estimates from the Social Security Administration’s Chief Actuary, three-quarters of “other-than-legal†immigrants have payroll taxes withheld.
Q: How can payroll taxes be withheld if illegals don’t have a Social Security number?
A: Immigration law forbids working in this country without legal authorization and a Social Security Number (SSN). Yet millions of “undocumented†immigrant workers are earning income. Illegals often get jobs by using illegally obtained, forged, or invalid Social Security numbers. Employers in turn withhold payroll taxes and report the earnings to the Social Security Administration (SSA) using those numbers. When the numbers don’t match up with the numbers issued by SSA, they go into a special file called the “Earnings Suspense File.†Valid numbers issued from the U.S. government are also misused.
Q: What numbers are those?
A: Federal law requires noncitizens who earn income in the U.S. to file tax returns. In order for a person who isn’t eligible for an SSN to do this, the Internal Revenue Service provides an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN) to facilitate the filing of tax returns. The number looks very similar to an SSN, having nine digits. Although that number does not authorize the number holder to work, undocumented workers use them to get jobs. More than 7.8 million ITINs were issued between 2005 and 2010. The Social Security Administration (SSA) itself is another major source of abused numbers. Between 1974 and 2003 the SSA issued 7 million “non-work†SSNs. The cards are clearly printed NOT VALID FOR EMPLOYMENT and they do not authorize noncitizen number holders to work. Audits by the Social Security Inspector General have found these numbers are widely misused by illegal workers.
Q: How do they claim benefits if the law prohibits illegals from collecting?
A: There are several ways it happens. One has to do with the type of SSN that was used for employment. The 2004 law requires work authorization in order to claim Social Security. But the law pertains only to individuals who received their SSN after January 1, 2004. If the individual was issued an SSN prior to January 1, 2004, like the 7 million non-work SSNs issued prior to 2003, the 2004 law prohibiting payment of Social Security does not apply. According to the Congressional Research Service and the Government Accountability Office, that group does not need to have ever received legal work authorization in order to claim benefits — they may have worked illegally their entire careers.
As long as all other qualifications are met, and they have evidence of their earnings, like W2s, they may file a claim for Social Security benefits. Others who receive an SSN after 2004 must have work authorization to claim benefits. Yet even people who worked illegally for many years sometimes later change status. That can occur even without an amnesty, especially if the illegals have children who were born in this country. Because the children are born as U.S. citizens, when they become adults they can sponsor their parents to stay in the U.S. legally and to receive work authorization. If their parents kept W2s and evidence earnings, those work credits will be re-instated to their new SSNs. Once they receive work authorization, noncitizens can later file a claim for Social Security benefits.
Currently the SSA uses all earnings to determine entitlement to benefits, including the earnings for jobs worked illegally. The majority of seniors responding to TSCL surveys on the topic believe that noncitizens should not be allowed to receive Social Security based on illegal work. TSCL agrees. Social Security benefits are determined on earnings and work history, regardless of whether taxes were paid or not. Because those earnings are held by Social Security in an Earnings Suspense file, non-citizens could at some point gain access to benefits based on illegal earnings. TSCL strongly supports legislation that would ban the payment of Social Security based on unauthorized work.
Sources: Statement of Martin H. Gerry, Social Security Administration, Before Subcommittee on Social Security of the House Committee on Ways and Means, March 2, 2006. Individuals Who Are Not Authorized To Work In The United States Were Paid $4.2 Billion In Refundable Credits, Treasury Inspector General For Tax Administration, July 7, 2011, 2011-41-061. “Social Security Benefits For Noncitizens,†Congressional Research Service, July 20, 2006, RL32004.
Thank you for posting that; however, at the local office level the agency is far more lenient. District managers tend to look the other way, and instruct their employees to not pursue any actions.
“TSCL strongly supports legislation that would ban the payment of Social Security based on unauthorized work.”
Let’s see Sen Cruz put forth some legislation to remedy this. I know Rubio and Paul have no interest.
They are sitting there just ripe for the picking.
Check out this thread-Social Security dept also hides ID theft from victims.
Secret IRS policy hides identity theft from victims
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3357727/posts
Bookmarked - thank you!
It is a really good article. Investigation by a local news agency..with whistleblowers!
Per an IG there are 6.5 million SSN’s that are over 112 years old. Maybe they should be the first place to start.
Wonder in this rule applies to speed limits. After most people don’t follow them anyway. Amnesty for all speeders! No more speed limits!
They’ve created a massive industry of terrible fraud in the U.S. while they choked off jobs, jammed our schools, driven down wages, swamped doctors offices, hospital ER’s, jails, while gang banging all social services meant for our ill and our elderly, our people who might be in need etc...
I look forward to the day when those who promoted and aided and abetted this epic lawless invasion are held responsible.
I’d love to see that too. It has to happen with the next administration or we are done I’m afraid. Obama has built so many faults into the system now, and placed so many of his kind at all levels of government.
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