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Update: Tank blast near Bend kills 2
KTVZ ^ | POSTED: 11:45 PM PDT October 27, 2015 UPDATED: 11:52 PM PDT October 27, 2015 | Lauren Martinez

Posted on 10/28/2015 3:54:51 AM PDT by WhiskeyX

NewsChannel 21's Lauren Martinez reports on an explsosion inside a World War II tank , killing two people, Deschutes County Sheriff Deputies said.

(Excerpt) Read more at ktvz.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: tank; wwii
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Looks like an M-10 tank destroyer
1 posted on 10/28/2015 3:54:51 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX

OK so where do you buy tank ammunition?


2 posted on 10/28/2015 3:56:20 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

Evertime I go to Walmart they are totally sold out.


3 posted on 10/28/2015 3:59:43 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (I've switched. Trump is my #1. He understands how to get things done. Cruz can be VP.)
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To: DoodleDawg

“OK so where do you buy tank ammunition?”

Here is one place:
http://www.pmulcahy.com/ammunition/large-caliber_ammunition.html

LARGE-CALIBER AMMUNITION

AP: Armor Piercing, essentially a large bullet with a hardened shell for armor penetration.

APC: Armor Piercing Capped, an AP round with a ballistic cap to cut through the air better and produce more speed. APDS: Armor Piercing Discarding Sabot, a round that uses a large explosive charge to propel a smaller penetrator at high speed.

APERS: AntiPERSonnel: A large shotgun-like round to defeat large numbers of enemy infantry.

APFSDS: Armor Piercing Fin Stabilized Discarding Sabot, an APDS round that is stabilized with fins, to produce more speed and a flatter trajectory.

APFSDSDU: Armor Piercing Fin Stabilized Discarding Sabot Depleted Uranium, an APFSDS round made of heavy metal. Note that after 1997, most of these rounds are actually made of tungsten, a metal that gives penetration comparable to depleted Uranium and is much safer and less expensive to produce.

APHE: Armor Piercing High Explosive, a round that attempts to penetrate the target with an explosion.

CHEM: CHEMical, a round filled with either a smoke-producing compound or poison gas.

Flechette: Also known as beehive, this round is similar in concept to APERS, but uses small metal darts instead of steel balls.

FRAG-HE: FRAGmentation-High Explosive, a normal HE round with a jacket of steel balls to produce more casualties among ground personnel.

HE: High Explosive, a hollow round filled with explosive to produce a large explosion

HEAT: High Explosive Anti Tank, a round with an explosive charge specially shaped to produce a plasma jet to burn through armor.

HESH: High Explosive Squash Head, a round filled with plastic explosive. The charge flattens out against the target, breaking off a “scab” inside the target and transferring kinetic energy.

HVAP: High Velocity Armor Piercing, a faster version of the AP round.

HVAPDS: High Velocity Armor Piercing Discarding Sabot, an APDS round propelled by a larger charge than normal, for more speed.

LAHAT: Laser Homing Anti Tank, a guided round that is more accurate at very long ranges than a normal tank round. Use of this round requires a laser rangefinder or designator. The target must be lased until the round strikes it. (Speed: 1500m per phase.) This weapon is fired using Tac Missile skill.

MPAT: Multi Purpose Anti Tank. This weapon may be used against ground targets and helicopters. Ground/air mode is selected by the loader by turning the nose fuze and requires one phase. Ground mode acts like a normal HEAT round. Air mode activates a small radar in the nose of the round.

STAFF: Smart Top-Attack Fire and Forget. This round is treated like a fire-and-forget top attack missile (like Tank Breaker). The firing vehicle must use the laser rangefinder during the phase the STAFF round is fired. This weapon is fired using Tac Missile skill.

TERM-CE: Tank Extended Range Munition-Chemical Energy, a guided HEAT round for long-range shots. Use of this round requires a laser rangefinder or designator. The target must be lased until the round strikes it. (Speed: 1200m per phase.) This is a top-attack weapon. This weapon is fired using Tac Missile skill.

TERM-KE: Tank Extended Range Munition-Kinetic Energy, a guided sabot round for long-range shots. Use of this round requires a laser rangefinder or designator. This round is treated like a fire-and-forget top attack missile (like Tank Breaker). The rangefinder or designator must be used during the phase the round is fired. The TERM-KEs speed is 1500m per phase. This weapon is fired using Tac Missile skill.

TERM-TA: Tank Extended Range Munition-Top Attack. This is a STAFF round with a rocket motor. Use of this round requires a laser rangefinder or designator. This round is treated like a fire-and-forget top attack missile (like Tank Breaker). The rangefinder or designator must be used during the phase the round is fired. The TERM-TAs speed is 1500m per phase. This weapon is fired using Tac Missile skill.

Thermobaric: This is an explosive round based on Fuel-Air Explosive, which saturates the air with gasoline or jet fuel and then ignites it.

WP: White Phosphorus, an explosive round filled with incendiary particles. This round also produces smoke as a side effect.

37mm M-6 AP: Weight 1.6 kg; Price: $250 (R/R)

37mm M-6 APERS: Weight 2.15 kg; Price $275 (R/R)

37mm M-6 HE: Weight 1.6 kg; Price $225 (R/R)

57mm 6-Pounder AP: Weight: 3.4 kg; Price: $530 (R/R)

57mm 6-Pounder APDS: Weight: 3.6 kg; Price: $585 (R/R)

57mm 6-Pounder HE: Weight: 3.6 kg; Price: $530 (R/R)

57mm 6-Pounder HVAP: Weight: 3.6 kg; Price: $530 (R/R)

73mm Russian HEAT: Weight 3kg; Price $650 (-/R)

73mm Russian HE: Weight 3kg; Price $500 (-/R)

75mm French HEAT: Weight 3.2kg; Price $690 (R/R)

75mm French APDS: Weight 3.2kg; Price $585 (R/R)

75mm French HE: Weight 3.2kg; Price $530 (R/R)

75mm French WP: Weight 3.2kg; Price $750 (R/R)

75mm French APERS: Weight 4.3kg; Price $630 (R/R)

76mm Cockerill AP: Weight 3kg; Price $320 (S/-)

76mm Cockerill APERS: Weight 4kg; Price $320 (S/-)

76mm Cockerill CHEM: Weight 3kg; Price $350 (R/-)

76mm Cockerill HE: Weight 3kg; Price $350 (S/-)

76mm Cockerill HESH: Weight 3kg; Price $370 (R/-)

76.2mm 17-Pounder AP: Weight: 9.6 kg; Price: $850 (S/S)

76.2mm 17-Pounder APDS: Weight: 9.6 kg; Price: $940 (S/S)

76.2mm 17-Pounder HE: Weight: 9.6 kg; Price: $850 (S/S)

76.2mm 17-Pounder HVAP: Weight: 9.6 kg; Price: $850 (S/S)

76.2mm D56TM APFSDS: Weight 7kg; Price $800 (R/S)

76.2mm D56TM HEAT: Weight 4kg; Price $750 (R/S)

76.2mm D56TM HE: Weight 6kg; Price $700 (R/S)

85mm Russian APHE: Weight 10kg; Price $900 (-/S)

85mm Russian HEAT: Weight 10kg; Price $700 (-/S)

85mm Russian HE: Weight 7kg; Price $1100 (-/S)

85mm Russian HVAP: Weight: 10kg; Price $1000 (-/S)

90mm French APFSDS: Weight 16kg; Price $660 (R/-)

90mm French HEAT: Weight 17kg; Price $800 (S/R)

90mm French HE: Weight 17kg; Price $675 (S/R)

90mm NATO APFSDS: Weight 16kg; Price $600 (R/R)

90mm NATO APDS: Weight 16kg; Price $550 (R/R)

90mm NATO HEAT: Weight 16kg; Price $650 (R/R)

90mm NATO HEAT-Heavy: Weight 17kg; Price $700 (R/-)

90mm NATO HESH: Weight 16kg; Price $1025 (R/-)

90mm NATO HVAP: Weight 16kg; Price $500 (R/-)

90mm NATO APC: Weight 16kg; Price $375 (R/R)

90mm NATO HE: Weight 16kg; Price $550 (R/R)

90mm NATO WP: Weight 16kg; Price $650 (R/R)

90mm NATO APERS: Weight 20kg; Price $550 (R/-)

100mm D-10 APFSDS: Weight 21kg; Price $675 (-/S)

100mm D-10 HEAT: Weight 22kg; Price $650 (-/S)

100mm D-10 APHE: Weight 21kg; Price $650 (-/S)

100mm D-10 HE: Weight 22kg; Price $650 (-/S)

100mm D-10 APC: Weight 21kg; Price $425 (-/R)

100mm D-10 HVAPDS: Weight 22kg; Price $650 (-/S)

100mm D-10 AP: Weight 21kg; Price $500 (-/R)

100mm D-10 FRAG-HE: Weight 22kg; Price $635 (-/R)

105mm NATO APFSDS: Weight 25kg; Price $600 (S/R)

105mm NATO APFSDSDU: Weight 25kg; Price $1000 (R/R)

105mm NATO APFSDSDU M-900: Weight 25kg; Price $1380 (R/R)

105mm NATO HEAT: Weight 25kg; Price $600 (C/S)

105mm NATO HEAT M-815: Weight 25kg; Price $825 (S/R)

105mm NATO HE: Weight 25kg; Price $650 (R/R)

105mm NATO WP: Weight 25kg; Price $1000 (R/R)

105mm NATO Flechette: Weight 25kg; Price $700 (S/-)

105mm Israeli LAHAT: Weight 25kg; Price $20000 (R/-).

105mm Rifled L-7 APFSDS: Weight 25kg; Price $600 (S/R)

105mm Rifled L-7 APDS: Weight 25kg; Price $575 (S/R)

105mm Rifled L-7 HE: Weight 25kg; Price $650 (R/R)

105mm Rifled L-7 HESH: Weight 25kg; Price $700 (S/R)

115mm U5TS APFSDS: Weight 27kg; Price $800 (-/S)

115mm U5TS HEAT: Weight 25kg; Price $750 (-/S)

115mm U5TS HE: Weight 24kg; Price $700 (-/S)

120mm Rheinmetall APFSDS: Weight 50kg; Price $800 (S/R)

120mm Rheinmetall APFSDSDU: Weight 50kg; Price $1200 (R/R)

120mm Rheinmetall APFSDSDU M-829A3: Weight 50kg; Price $1500 (R/R)

120mm Rheinmetall HEAT: Weight 50kg; Price $800 (C/S)

120mm Rheinmetall HE: Weight 50kg; Price $800 (R/R)

120mm Rheinmetall WP: Weight 50kg; Price $1000 (R/R)

120mm Rheinmetall MPAT: Weight 50kg; Price: $4000 (R/-).

120mm Rheinmetall STAFF (SMart Top Attack Fire & Forget): Weight 50kg; Price $3000 (S/R).

120mm Rheinmetall APERS: Weight 50kg; Price $850 (R/-)

120mm Israeli LAHAT: Weight 50kg; Price $20000 (R/-). .

120mm Raytheon TERM-CE (Tank Extended Range Munition-Chemical Energy): Weight 50kg; Price $30000 (R/-).

120mm Alliant TERM-KE (Tank Extended Range Munition-Kinetic Energy) XM-1007: Weight 50kg; Price $30000 (-/-)

120mm TERM-TA: Weight 50kg; Price $15000 (-/-).

120mm Rifled L-11 APFSDSDU: Weight 50kg, Price $1500 (R/R)

120mm Rifled L-11 APFSDS: Weight 50kg; Price $800 (S/R)

120mm Rifled L-11 HESH: Weight 50kg; Price $1000 (S/R)

120mm Rifled L-11 APDS: Weight 50kg; Price $650 (R/R)

125mm Russian APFSDS: Weight 40kg, Price $800 (R/S)

125mm Russian APFSDSDU: Weight 40kg; Price $1500 (R/R)

125mm Russian HEAT: Weight 40kg; Price $800 (R/S)

125mm Russian HE: Weight 40kg; Price $800 (S/C)

125mm Russian Powder Charge: Weight 25kg; Price $80 (S/C)

125mm Russian Liquid Propellant APFSDS: Weight 22kg; Price $1200 (-/S)

135mm Russian APFSDS: Weight 45kg; Price $950 (-/R)

135mm Russian APFSDSDU: Weight 45kg; Price $1775 (-/R)

135mm Russian HEAT: Weight 45kg; Price $950 (-/R)

135mm Russian HE: Weight 45kg; Price $950 (-/R)

135mm Russian Thermobaric: Weight 45kg; Price $1200 (-/R)

135mm Russian Powder Charge: Weight 27kg; Price $90 (-/R)

140mm NATO APFSDS: Weight 60kg; Price $2000 (-/-)

140mm NATO APFSDSDU: Weight 60kg; Price $3000 (-/-)

140mm NATO HEAT: Weight 60kg; Price $2000 (-/-)

140mm NATO HE: Weight 60kg; Price $2000 (-/-)

140mm NATO WP: Weight 60kg; Price $2500 (-/-)

142mm Demolition Gun HESH: Weight 16kg; Price $1700 (R/R)

152mm Gun/Missile Launcher HEAT: Weight 22kg; Price $2200 (-/-)

152mm Gun/Missile Launcher APERS: Weight 21kg; Price $2400 (-/-)

152mm Gun/Missile Launcher HE: Weight 22kg; Price $2200 (-/-)

152mm Gun/Missile Launcher WP: Weight 22kg; Price $2200 (-/-)

165mm Demolition Gun HESH: Weight 19kg; Price $2000 (R/R)


4 posted on 10/28/2015 4:03:58 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX

Actually it’s an M-18 Hellcat Tank Destroyer.


5 posted on 10/28/2015 4:18:16 AM PDT by Sledge
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To: WhiskeyX
Looks like a variation on the M26. The M10 was built on a M4 (Sherman)chassis, so the suspension is all wrong.


6 posted on 10/28/2015 4:18:17 AM PDT by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: Sledge
Actually it’s an M-18 Hellcat Tank Destroyer.

You're right.


7 posted on 10/28/2015 4:21:10 AM PDT by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: archy

Ping.


8 posted on 10/28/2015 4:26:21 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: WhiskeyX; big'ol_freeper; Impy; SevenofNine; Cletus.D.Yokel; Rummyfan; Liberty Valance; Perdogg; ...
Re: Update: Tank blast near Bend kills 2

I swear I had nothing... to do with this--

But watching the news report shows you can never over-estimate... the ignorance of the news media when it come to reporting on anything military!

BTW: Looks like an M-10 tank destroyer

Is an M-18 Hellcat... Tank Destroyer--

Not an... M-10 "TD"

http://www.dday-overlord.com/img/chars/m18_hellcat.jpg

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120320153920/brotherinarms/images/3/35/3778302469_31a3683620.jpg

9 posted on 10/28/2015 4:34:41 AM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: WhiskeyX

Well, thats right in my area..if i were in the country that is.. I know the area intimately. The Military did maneuvers in the area during early WW11 in preparation for North Africa. There was a lot of left over stuff found to this day. Until I saw the video I was imagining that these two folks had found one of the several abandoned Grant tanks from the BLM desert and messed with some unstable rounds inside. Obviously not the case. Will be interesting to learn the cause, but perhaps the aged metal in the breach disintegrated.. Too bad


10 posted on 10/28/2015 4:43:07 AM PDT by Trapper6012
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To: Bender2

Looking at the last video frame with the side view, yes, the M-18 Hellcat tank destroyer.


11 posted on 10/28/2015 4:49:10 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX
From video:

M-10: rear end:

http://www.flamesofwar.com/Portals/0/all_images/american/Boxes/UBX31c.jpg

M-18 rear end:

http://svsm.org/albums/M18/IMGP0928.jpg

12 posted on 10/28/2015 4:58:46 AM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: Trapper6012

Gasoline engine with a carburetor?


13 posted on 10/28/2015 5:01:00 AM PDT by Paladin2 (my non-desktop devices are no longer allowed to try to fix speling and punctuation, nor my gran-mah.)
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To: WhiskeyX

I will add some of those to my cart.


14 posted on 10/28/2015 5:01:59 AM PDT by wally_bert (I didn't get where I am today by selling ice cream tasting of bookends, pumice stone & West Germany)
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To: Trapper6012

Maybe someone decided they could make a homemade round and fire it that way.


15 posted on 10/28/2015 5:03:27 AM PDT by refermech
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To: refermech

Here is an interesting article on the M18: http://www.trucktrend.com/truck-reviews/163-1404-1944-buick-m18-hellcat-tank-destroyer-first-drive/


16 posted on 10/28/2015 5:11:06 AM PDT by Trapper6012
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To: Bender2

Yeah, I looked at the sloped sides and the low profile turret characteristic of the tank destroyers, then jumped to the conclusion it was the M-10 without stopping to look at the wheel train. Then the browser crashed the computer, so I had to reboot and take another look at the tank destroyers, counted wheels, matched the wheels to the M-18, jumped over to FR...only to find you sly guys beat me to it. :)


17 posted on 10/28/2015 5:27:29 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX

Is that list from the Twilight 2000 RPG?


18 posted on 10/28/2015 5:30:18 AM PDT by themidnightskulker (And then the thread dies... peacefully, in it's sleep....)
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To: refermech

“Maybe someone decided they could make a homemade round and fire it that way.”

The TV news report broadcast an older video of this tank firing as a Discovery crew videotaped the action for their show. They also said this fatal firing was being videotaped. So, it appears something went wrong while they were performing a demonstration firing for the video crew.


19 posted on 10/28/2015 5:31:20 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: Trapper6012

Very interesting indeed. Thanks!


20 posted on 10/28/2015 5:39:43 AM PDT by refermech
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