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What happens to Obamacare if GOP wins the White House? (Gonna need more senators)
CNBC ^ | 10/16/15 | Dan Mangan

Posted on 10/18/2015 6:19:05 PM PDT by Libloather

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To: Libloather

The chamber of cronies has instructed the uni-party leadership that employers are out of the business of funding healthcare. They expect Obamacare to stay.


21 posted on 10/18/2015 6:48:07 PM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: Libloather

A lot of the most obnoxious features of the law aren’t actually in the law, but are decisions taken by SecHHS under the “as the Secretary shall direct” provisions. Day one of a GOP administration, while Congress is debating any repeal or repeal-and-replace measures, the contraceptive-coverage mandate, the abortion-coverage mandate and be repealed and “Bronze” coverage can be redefined to be something affordable.


22 posted on 10/18/2015 6:53:28 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: Menehune56
They expect Obamacare to stay.

That would have to mean that the individual mandate stays, while the employer mandate does not.

Can't blame major U.S. employers for taking this approach. They don't pay the rent and mortgages for their employees, so there's nothing sacred about paying the medical bills.

23 posted on 10/18/2015 6:56:11 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("It doesn't work for me. I gotta have more cowbell!")
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To: pieceofthepuzzle
"Robert Laszewski, who operates Health Policy and Strategy Associates in Virginia"

Nobody finds this a bit of self advocacy?

The dems passed the dumb mess using budget reconciliation, so kill it with the same.

24 posted on 10/18/2015 6:56:53 PM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: Menehune56

Once the w-2’s were showing health insurance payments by employers greater than federal withholding taxes being collected it was just a matter of time until they followed the money to steal.


25 posted on 10/18/2015 6:58:52 PM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: The_Reader_David

The magic word is Reconciliation.


26 posted on 10/18/2015 7:05:34 PM PDT by RossA
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To: RossA

The Senate parliamentarian serves at the pleasure of the majority. Easy fix.


27 posted on 10/18/2015 7:14:19 PM PDT by FirstFlaBn
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To: Libloather

Congressional republicans are to scared of the media to do the right thing, they have proven that over and over again.


28 posted on 10/18/2015 7:32:59 PM PDT by GregoTX (Calling Illegal Aliens "immigrants" is like calling burglars "house residents")
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To: Libloather

Nuclear option or use the budget reconciliation somehow, F the filibuster.


29 posted on 10/18/2015 7:33:42 PM PDT by Impy (They pull a knife, you pull a gun. That's the CHICAGO WAY, and that's how you beat the rats!)
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First you undo all the pen-and-phone changes with a pen of your own.

Then you lean on congress to do something that actually is within its power, namely regulate interstate commerce, by dropping the ridiculously archaic barriers to interstate insurance.

Then you pass reform through reconciliation, arguing that since it has been ruled by SCOTUS as legal only due to it’s position as a tax, it will be managed legislatively as part of an omnibus income and spending package.

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This of course, after whipping the heretofore weasely R majority leader with a riding crop until he a) admits he likes it and b) tells you who has the photos...

(That last part is sarcasm in case anyone missed it.)


30 posted on 10/18/2015 7:46:49 PM PDT by BlueNgold (May I suggest a very nice 1788 Article V with your supper...)
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To: usconservative

50 and the vice president.


31 posted on 10/18/2015 7:48:50 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (You can't spell Hillary without using the letters L, I, A, & R)
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To: BlueNgold
Then you lean on congress to do something that actually is within its power, namely regulate interstate commerce, by dropping the ridiculously archaic barriers to interstate insurance.

I don't see how those barriers are "archaic." The insurance industry is regulated at the state level, which makes it one of the last remaining industries that still operates under the Tenth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

Insurance companies are free to sell insurance across state lines. They just have to meet the regulatory requirements of each state, and there is a lot of variation in these regulations from one state to the next.

P.S. Mortgage lending is the same way, but for some reason you never hear any complaints about this the way you do about medical insurance.

32 posted on 10/18/2015 7:59:57 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("It doesn't work for me. I gotta have more cowbell!")
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To: BlueNgold

I don’t see why congress needs to do anything. Obama already set the precedent by changing or delaying implementation of big portions of ObamaCare by fiat. Noice how the Republicans never challenged him on that? It’s be cause they realized once they win back the presidency they can do the same thing.

Delay implementation...forever.


33 posted on 10/18/2015 8:31:52 PM PDT by BigBobber (`)
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To: FirstFlaBn

Correct. The Parliamentarian’s ruling on an individual rule procedure can also be overruled by a simple majority.


34 posted on 10/18/2015 8:36:42 PM PDT by FredZarguna (An Ethiopian appears to have tampered with the fuel supply.)
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To: Libloather

“There’s nothing we can do.”
The GOP

Then why do we need you?


35 posted on 10/18/2015 8:52:24 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
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To: Alberta's Child

I believe a common set of standards would decrease a significant part of the cost burden. I also believe it is an idea that should be pursued.

My opinion.
We apparently just disagree.

No shame in that.


36 posted on 10/18/2015 8:52:51 PM PDT by BlueNgold (May I suggest a very nice 1788 Article V with your supper...)
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To: Libloather

A GOP president could simply issue an Executive Order to repeal Obummercare.

Barack Obeyme already set enough precedent for using Exec Orders, so this is the price the Libtards will have to pay (we’ll used ‘em too).


37 posted on 10/18/2015 8:56:35 PM PDT by AlanGreenSpam (Obama: The First 'American IDOL' President - sponsored by Chicago NeoCom Thugs)
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To: Libloather

Great article that makes my point beautifully.

OK. So watch how this works. The gop controlled House can’t get anything cohservative done done until the gop gets control of the senate. Once the gop gets comtrol of the senate it can’t get anything conservative done until it gets control of the presidency. Once the gop gets control of the house, the senate and the presidency, it can’t get anything conservative done until it gets at least 60 seats in the senate.

Notice the trend? The gop “can’t” acccomplish anything conservative EVER. But the proper word to use isn’t “can’t”. The proper word is WON’T.

Voting is a suckers game for conservatives. It’s a game of three card monte where we never get to win even if we get the majority of the ballots cast.


38 posted on 10/18/2015 8:59:25 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Elections are Job Fairs for sociopaths)
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Thank you for referencing that article Libloather. Please bear in mind that the following critique is directed at the article and not at you.

The Senate parliamentarian and the insurance agent mentioned in the OP are clueless that the states have never delegated to the feds, expressly via the Constitution, the specific powers to regulate either intrastate healthcare or insurance. More specifically, regardless what lawless Obama’s activist justices want everybody to think about the constitutionality of Obamacare, the unconstitutionality of federal spending programs like Obamacare was clarified by previous generations of state sovereignty-respecting justices as evidenced by the excerpts from Supreme Court case opinions below.

The ill-conceived 17th Amendment needs to disappear, and corrupt, low-information senators who pass unconstitutonal bills that steal 10th Amendment-protected state powers and associated state revenues along with it, unconstitutional Obamacare an excellent example of such a bill.

39 posted on 10/18/2015 9:20:53 PM PDT by Amendment10
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Nothing. They have no intention of repealing it or changing it much.


40 posted on 10/18/2015 9:21:11 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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