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It’s Time to Get Rid of the VA
The National Review ^ | September 25, 2015 | Jonah Goldberg, Senior editor

Posted on 09/25/2015 3:12:40 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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1 posted on 09/25/2015 3:12:40 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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Giving the hospitals back to the states, along with a proportionate amount of income theft (income tax) with zero strings attached, yes, it would be a good idea.

The states could then contract real hospitals and real doctors, and let’s say have the VA hospitals managed by the state’s National Guard administration. I’d feel very comfortable knowing a fellow military organization is in charge instead of some appointed person that owes allegiance to a political party.


2 posted on 09/25/2015 3:18:19 PM PDT by redfreedom (All it takes for evil to win is for good people to do nothing - that's how the left took over.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Every program and project becomes self-sustaining because it creates a constituency. That constituency will target those powers it needs to continue to live. That’s the danger of creating anything, anything at all. It develops a life of its own. As Reagan said, “nothing is as close to immortality as a government program.” Every place in America has electric power that wants it. But the Rural electric board gets bigger and more complicated every year. About twenty years ago I saw a list of obsolete government departments and programs and not one has been put into the grave.

Organizational theory says that a bureaucracy has only one goal, to get bigger. Government is society’s cancer.


3 posted on 09/25/2015 3:22:57 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This last week Trump said that if a certain V. A. hospital wasn’t filling the bill, it should be closed and our men sent to a local medical center to get care.

That suites me fine.


4 posted on 09/25/2015 3:23:35 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (It's beginning to look like "Morning in America" again. Comment on YouTube under Trump Free Ride.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I can think of a lot of other useless destructive wasteful and unconstitutional department that should probably go before the VA, beginning with the $1 trillion HHS.

Department of Agriculture
Department of Commerce
Department of Labor
Department of Health and Human Services
Department of Housing and Urban Development
Department of Transportation
Department of Energy
Department of Education
Department of Homeland Security


5 posted on 09/25/2015 3:25:59 PM PDT by Jim W N
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Having had to deal with the VA recently, I'm not unhappy with the VA.

Or the doctors. Some of the docs are young guys that are learning, and I see a value with that.

Sure there are a few bad ones, but most I've dealt with are good doctors and they have kept me alive much longer than expected.

There is no simple answer.

The military is a federal function as well as a state and local function.

/johnny

6 posted on 09/25/2015 3:27:12 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

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7 posted on 09/25/2015 3:27:56 PM PDT by Vision (Why does everyone pretend that Obama is mentally well?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All
I don't need to by cynical but I have had enough. It is really brave for Mr Goldberg to come out behind Ben Carson's apron after he floated this idea 1st about 2 weeks ago. Paleazzzeee...

I was out with the wise elder Conservatives for Coffee and crumpets last week. In regards to the VA I got large kudos for floating the following idea:

Whatever plan we give our Vet's ( I prefer an HSA + Direct Primary Care ) POTUS, the HOUSE & SENATE must ALSO use the SAME PLAN.

They must be enroll as well, if it is good enough for our finest in service, it is good enough for them...

8 posted on 09/25/2015 3:33:56 PM PDT by taildragger (It's Cruz & Walker. Anything else is a Yugo with Racing Stripes....)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Personally, I’d rather see the money spent on veterans go straight to the veterans themselves, in the form of cash payments or vouchers to be used for health care in the private sector.

I am no longer involved with veterans advocacy, but when I was, I saw too, too many that were unable to care for themselves, much less manage a relatively large sum of money for a health care program, unless it was on the order of vouching the amount of the monthly premium or co-payment.

But even then, I would anticipate problems.

There is no easy solution...but I would start by firing every single damned bureaucratic bean-counting son of a bitch that has managed to finagle him/herself a lifetime cushion job at the expense of the US Government and on the shoulders of veterans.

They are legion, they are in every VA clinic, from Podunk, Iowa to the massive Medical Centers in Birmingham, Vicksburg, Atlanta, New York, Pittsburgh, etc, etc, and they don't give a rat's ass about a veteran.

I have said it before, I say it again: I will die on the damned curb in front of the BEST VA Medical Center in the country, before I will crawl in and accept an aspirin from them.

After the things I have seen in them, I would never be able to hold my temper and not savage one of the worthless pieces of crap that work in them.

9 posted on 09/25/2015 3:36:02 PM PDT by OldSmaj (obama is a worthless mohametan. Impeach his ass now!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Getting rid of he VA is one of Trump’s plans.


10 posted on 09/25/2015 3:41:42 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: Logical me

Like getting rid of the Dept. of Education was one of Reagan’s?


11 posted on 09/25/2015 4:08:22 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: OldSmaj

......”There is no easy solution...but I would start by firing every single damned bureaucratic bean-counting son of a bitch that has managed to finagle him/herself a lifetime cushion job at the expense of the US Government and on the shoulders of veterans.

They are legion, they are in every VA clinic, from Podunk, Iowa to the massive Medical Centers in Birmingham, Vicksburg, Atlanta, New York, Pittsburgh, etc, etc, and they don’t give a rat’s ass about a veteran.
I have said it before, I say it again: I will die on the damned curb in front of the BEST VA Medical Center in the country, before I will crawl in and accept an aspirin from them.

After the things I have seen in them, I would never be able to hold my temper and not savage one of the worthless pieces of crap that work in them”........
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+1 Here, I would not take a sick chicken into the one I have had to deal with.


12 posted on 09/25/2015 4:31:49 PM PDT by mongo141 (Revolution ver. 2.0, just a matter of when, not a matter of if!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Disband the VA and give the vets insurance or healthcare vouchers. Simple.


13 posted on 09/25/2015 4:34:30 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I just use tricare prime and good bourbon ......cheat death when possible. Lot easier than dealing with the VA in person.

Stay Safe Cookie !


14 posted on 09/25/2015 4:45:44 PM PDT by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Fire the VA Executives, and take away their retirements.

They will then understand that they are responsible for performance.

Once they understand that, they will demand performance from their subordinates.

It appears to me that the VA Executives have lost track of their job responsibilities. They think that they manage buildings and people so that they, the VA Executives, can make more money and have a bigger retirement.

It is the VETERANS Affairs, not the VA Executives Affairs.


15 posted on 09/25/2015 4:46:44 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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Hi Buddy

It was in the paper today that former Chief and Sheriff Bob Stover has passed away at 79.


16 posted on 09/25/2015 4:47:45 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Squantos
and good bourbon ......cheat death when possible

That sounds familiar. :)

/johnny

17 posted on 09/25/2015 5:03:54 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I see articles like this and it makes me sure the country is headed for doom.

The VA, as is the military, is central to this nations survival. The world is a dangerous anti-American place and most of the rest of the world either wants to kill all Americans or has no regret should that happen.

Fewer and fewer of America's youth are even physically capable of serving let alone having the motivation to serve their County.

Seems most that are on this board anymore are just as deluded as the liberals concerning the military. Everyone signing up writes a blank check to this country for which most expect and receive very little in return.

The promises made to induce a recruit to join must be honored,this country is on the hook for what it promises as it should be.

The VA is the only way to honor the commitment this country has made to the men and women in uniform. It could be more efficient and certainly the standard of care across the system can be equalized.

But the bottom line is that there is no profit to be had from most of the Vet's the current system covers and therefore there is no incentive for a nongovernmental entity to tend to the specialized needs of the Veteran.

The primary function of the Government is the national defense, Since the founding that philosophy has preserved this nation and implicit in that function has been unwavering (until now) commitment to those past and present serving in uniform.

18 posted on 09/25/2015 5:06:42 PM PDT by montanajoe
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Ahhh damn...... he treated me and my EOD team with respect and always thanked us when we assisted APD with suspect packages, IED’s and UXO’s.... he was before my time on the reserves for the county.

Sad day....


19 posted on 09/25/2015 5:10:01 PM PDT by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: Logical me; OldSmaj

The VA is under the power of the big pharmaceutical companies and their K Street offices. How hard will it be to sell the hospitals and “medical centers” to private, not state, enterprises?


20 posted on 09/25/2015 5:12:13 PM PDT by huldah1776
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