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Carly Fiorina: Parents have right not to have kids vaccinated, schools have right not to accept them
Hotair ^ | 08/14/2015 | AllahPundit

Posted on 08/14/2015 8:45:58 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: LibertarianLiz

The only recent ‘measles death’ was the woman who was severaly immunocompromised, on immune suppressants for some sort of medical condition, and apparently contracted measles in the hospital or clinic. It wasn’t immediately obvious she had measles when she died. I’m not aware if any information about the strain of measles she had has been released.

Read the article here:

http://business.financialpost.com/fp-comment/lawrence-solomon-vaccines-cant-prevent-measles-outbreaks

Those of us who didn’t have measles will be getting another measles booster (mmr, no single measles vaccine is available) sooner rather than later. And likely those who did actually have measles as well if they don’t have any antibodies in a titer.

I’m surprised everyone thinks this is about the children’s schedule. 90% of kids have had every single shot on the schedule and on time too. This whole ‘mandating’ argument is to get people up to speed on the idea that adults need to be up to date on whatever is on ‘the schedule’ for them as well. Or be unable to work or possibly even visit an MD for a checkup. One of the reasons big pharma was so in love with obamacare is the potential for government to mandate vaccines and other medications. Roll up your sleeve now, save time later, there are 200+ vaccines in the pipeline.


61 posted on 08/14/2015 12:43:38 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: SunkenCiv

That 1/3 of the vaccines were ‘contaminated’ with a known sterilant?

Or that the WHO would be ‘up to that’ to control the population of an African nation?


62 posted on 08/14/2015 12:46:58 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Jan_Sobieski

Yeah, our forefathers left their countries to avoid being vaccinated. Ass.

The technology works, and btw, a vaccine can’t introduce an IUD.

People fled Britain and Germany for North America because they could get land, escape many taxes, and avoid getting killed by local thugs in the employ of the local landed gentry or by the monarch’s army.


63 posted on 08/14/2015 12:49:57 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW)
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To: Black Agnes

No, that there is anything to the idea that the chemical would result in human infertility.


64 posted on 08/14/2015 12:51:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW)
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To: DH
Go believe in your little fantasy world but a similar horror will appear on the horizon due to those who do not vaccinate.

Good luck trying to talk sense to the anti-vax loon crowd.

They're so wound up on Internet Truths that they're actually proud of their child negligence.

65 posted on 08/14/2015 12:54:07 PM PDT by Dagnabitt (Islamic Immigration is Treason)
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To: SunkenCiv

Did you fail to read the pubmed link?

That was the whole POINT of that exercise. The HCG is bound to the tetanus toxin.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?linkname=pubmed_pubmed&from_uid=9083611

‘They’ have been working on just such a ‘vaccine against babies’ for 30+ years.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8078917

“A vaccine that prevents pregnancy in women.”

We report here results of clinical trials on a birth control vaccine, consisting of a heterospecies dimer of the beta subunit of human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) associated noncovalently with the alpha subunit of ovine luteinizing hormone and conjugated to tetanus and diphtheria toxoids as carriers, that induces antibodies of high avidity (K(a) approximately 10(10) M-1) against hCG. Fertile women exposed to conception over 1224 cycles recorded only one pregnancy at antibody titers of > 50 ng/ml (hCG bioneutralization capacity). The antibody response declines with time; fertility was regained when titers fell to < 35 ng/ml. This study presents evidence of the feasibility of a vaccine for control of human fertility.

Lots more like that one too.


66 posted on 08/14/2015 12:55:26 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes

Wow, that’s really a remarkably irrelevant study — the story here is, there’s a bunch of anti-vaxxers pretending that there’s an anti-fertility campaign going on in Africa, and pretend they’ve got a smoking gun. They don’t.


67 posted on 08/14/2015 12:58:54 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW)
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To: SunkenCiv
Clearly, I was talking about freedom of conscience and faith. I am in a nice mood so I will not respond indignantly.

Religious freedom and freedom of conscience were the primary reason for the initial waves of immigrants to our shores. Additionally, I will not question your expertise in implantable devices, however I disagree.
68 posted on 08/14/2015 12:58:54 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: SunkenCiv

Irrelevant?

The study used tetanus vaccine with the toxoid bound covalently to betaHCG and induced sterility in the women who got it.

Oddly enough, the tetanus vaccines in the Kenyan ‘outreach’ were contaminated, 1/3 of them, with betaHCG.

Total coincidence I’m sure.

The difference in the protocol with the Kenyan campaign was the dosage and timing of the ‘tetanus vaccine’. Kenyan women got 4 or 5 doses of the vaccine spread out over several months just like in the study to prevent conception, unlike the traditional tetanus shot which is given only once.

And the anti-vaxers in question were Kenyan doctors who adminster the vaccine program there. Hardly anti-vaxxers. They got suspicious when the single shot tetanus vaccine turned into a 4 or 5 shot ‘protocol’ never done before.

And neonatal tetanus, supposedly the target of the campaign in Kenya, is so far down the list of risks it nearly falls off entirely. And yet millions were spent on this campaign. In spite of the near universal lack of sanitary human waste disposal or clean drinking water. Priorities...priorities...if you’re a population control nutjob like the WHO.


69 posted on 08/14/2015 1:04:30 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes

Then schools should not have the right to use the $10,000 for general education and the parents should get a voucher to go elsewhere.


70 posted on 08/14/2015 1:05:54 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

In California and Mississippi and West Virginia the only ‘elsewhere’ to go is home. And California is working on eliminating that ‘exemption’ right now.


71 posted on 08/14/2015 1:07:34 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes

Califonria is the example of what happens when you get one socialist party control.
Notice it tells people what to do.


72 posted on 08/14/2015 1:08:46 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: SunkenCiv

And there’s lots of research being done on ‘antifertility’ vaccines.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?linkname=pubmed_pubmed&from_uid=26160491

And truthfully, you’ll never know precisely what’s in any vaccine you or your children get.


73 posted on 08/14/2015 1:10:02 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes
I’m surprised everyone thinks this is about the children’s schedule.

Again, it is about the kids who swarmed over our border who have NOT had all of the shots that our U.S. kids have had.

74 posted on 08/14/2015 1:53:05 PM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: motor_racer
Why would schools refuse to accept them? The only ones at risk would be the other students who weren’t vaccinated,

Excellent question and one I've thought about for years..

75 posted on 08/14/2015 1:57:27 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (<i>)
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To: LibertarianLiz

That was an excuse.

Most of the people who got measles from the Disney outbreak were adults.

Most kids have had all their shots. Adults on the other hand...:

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/adult.html

This is where the money will come. Once people accept the idea that vaccines can be mandated to receive government services if you’re a kid, adults will be next.


76 posted on 08/14/2015 1:57:48 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: DH
Go believe in your little fantasy world but a similar horror will appear on the horizon due to those who do not vaccinate.

pure horror.

Aren't you being a little bit melodramatic? With that being said, just what percent of the population is that? Certainly not negligible enough to even mention..........

77 posted on 08/14/2015 2:05:51 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (<i>)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
My husband got chickenpox as an adult.

I caught it in the Army from my roommate and was quarantined for 10 days. I'M A SURVIVOR!!!!!

78 posted on 08/14/2015 2:10:39 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (<i>)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Good for you. It is rough when you are an adult. I have to say my husband took it quite well. He looked like he had leprosy. I was very glad I had it as a kid.


79 posted on 08/14/2015 2:13:09 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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