Carly Fiorina: Parents have right not to have kids vaccinated, schools have right not to accept them

Hotair ^ | 08/14/2015 | AllahPundit

[Jan_Sobieski]

In my experience, most folks who have faith based concerns with vaccinations, do not have issues seeing a doctor. Unless of course, the doctor forces the person to inject foreign substances into their blood stream as a prerequisite to the visit.

Faith-based concerns with vaccinations are legion. Here are some of them...

1. negative health reactions to the vaccine
2. no immune system protection when injected into the blood stream
3. Foreign substances in vaccines that may cause illness
4. No legal protection if a vaccine is proven to cause illness (vaccine companies are protected by government)
5. Vaccines used for nefarious purposes (e.g. sterilization, etc.)
6. Vaccines as a delivery method for nefarious methods (e.g. tracking, etc.)
7. Vaccines as delivery for FUTURE nefarious method (time release)
8. Vaccines magnified effects on children (or those with weak immune systems)
9. Studies showing vaccine links to disease
10. CDC whistle blowers revealing vaccine links to disease
...

That said, God promises that He will protect His people from disease. He also says that if we do get sick, He will heal us. History and the Bible support God fearing people, putting their trust in Him, and following his word and laws being delivered from the ravages of pestilence and disease.
Your faith in medicine is fine, as well as your thanks to God. Where we would greatly disagree is when people of faith are forced to go against conscience to receive vaccinations.

[SunkenCiv]

They should, and everyone else should have the right to keep the anti-vaxxer kids separated from other kids. They can grow up like the boy in the bubble.

[The Ghost of FReepers Past]

My husband and I both had vaccines as children. So did our siblings. Though my husband’s brother was older and he got polio before that vaccine was available.

Our kid had vaccines.

Vaccines are a gift we should be thankful for. That said, I do not think the chickenpox vaccine is probably necessary. It is nice, though. But I have known no one who had it. My husband got chickenpox as an adult. I understand that put him at higher risk for shingles. But he lived through the humiliating experience just fine. He got it right after our child got it.

I do understand the issue with the use of 2 aborted fetuses for the rubella and chickenpox vaccines. (It is not an ongoing use.) An alternative can and should be offered, though it would take some time, so I understand.

[Cypher]

Thank you for being the voice of reason. Everybody screams “anti-vaxxer” and nobody asks why. They make assumptions based on MSM blurbs. Critical thinking seems to be such a heavy burden for some people.

[Black Agnes]

Unfortunately it isn’t just those two vaccines:

https://www.cogforlife.org/vaccineListOrigFormat.pdf

And it’s more than just 2 cell lines.

Having ‘gotten away with’ using the existing cell lines there’s no reason for them not to use more in the future.

[Jan_Sobieski]

It is great that your family is healthy. As long as we can make decisions based on conscience, we are free. Once we lose this freedom, we will never get it back. Soltzenitzen warned us...

[Jan_Sobieski]

Wow, SunkenCiv...amazing that man has survived since the fertile crescent without vaccines. Glad I exercise my 2nd Amendment rights...

[Black Agnes]

The number of vaccines has TRIPLED since the 80’s. Most of those since the industry was indemnified in ‘86.

So you can’t compare the outcome of you and your husband, or even your children if they were vaccinated prior to the late 90’s to the schedule in force today:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-0jY7pTC-bzw/VNugUMJnEnI/AAAAAAAAKEY/fpUJjQTCqWY/s1600/VaxCDC.jpg

[The Ghost of FReepers Past]

I am glad I do not have to make the choice today. Shame on them for doing it that way. Still, if someone murders your child and your other child needs some vital organ transplant to save his life, they are a good transplant match, would you allow the transplant to take place? On the one hand, it is coming from a murdered child. On the other hand, you didn’t murder the child and it will save the other child’s life.

Another cell line needs to be developed for the sake of conscience. But using the existing one does not, in my opinion, make the user guilty of murder.

[Jan_Sobieski]

Fair question and their may be some merit to being separated. While Jews were forced to live apart from everyone, often times it was in ghettos that would have been most susceptible to pestilence. However, in Judaism, rats are unclean animals exterminated to keep clean. Additionally, strict cleansing statues are followed by Jews and in handling dead bodies. These and a few other activities were thought to be the reason Jews were not affected by the Black Plague like their peers in Europe.

[Black Agnes]

The issue is the murder.

Abortionists murder without any legal penalties. And profit from it to boot.

There are plenty of ‘choices’ for cell lines. Have to wonder if ‘zealots’ aren’t the ones picking dead baby lines on purpose.

And then there’s this;

http://www.lifenews.com/2014/09/09/study-links-autism-to-vaccines-made-with-cells-from-aborted-babies/

You have no idea what kind of contaminants are in those live virus vaccines from aborted babies. Even the manufacturers don’t know exactly what’s in there. Since they’re ‘live virus’, they can’t be sterilized in any way and any ‘viruses’ in there are necessarily included with the ones being grown for vaccines.

This goes for any live virus vaccine.

[bmwcyle]

If the kids are vaccinated are they not protected? Schools are not the parents.

[Jan_Sobieski]

What do you think about this article just posted by another Freeper?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3324752/posts?page=1

Can you see that if we fail to secure the rights of families to forego vaccinations for religious reasons, that vaccinations can be used as medium for delivery of this new technology?

[SunkenCiv]

Can you see that vaccinations are not about religious freedom, and never have been, but about human health, and that they work? Didn’t think so.

[Black Agnes]

http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=768249#

Find the (should be easily identified) inflection points in the mortality graph (the red line) indicating the introduction of particular vaccines. Pay attention to the mid 50’s (polio), mid 60’s (measles) and any other point.

[Black Agnes]

And explain the presence of betaHCG in tetanus vaccines. It’s not present in the culture media.

http://uchaguzi.co.ke/kenya-catholic-bishops-insist-no-mass-tetanus-vaccination-campaigns-undertaken-kenya/

And the particular ‘protocol’ for this tetanus vaccination program in Uganda matched the one in this study:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9083611

[Jan_Sobieski]

Where does God and freedom of conscience fit? Isn’t this precisely why our forefathers left their countries? If the technology is so great, why do we have to be coerced? And why do the drug companies (and governments) have immunity?

[LibertarianLiz]

It wasn’t just at Disney. I seem to remember that a lot of these people were spread out over the country and that certain places experienced measles outbreaks and I thought a couple of kids had died.

[SunkenCiv]

Nuttery.

[LibertarianLiz]

Okay I "binged" Measles outbreak and I got a link to an article about Measles outbreaks 2015:

http://pediatrics.about.com/od/measles/a/

I didn't see any deaths associated, so you were correct about that. But, the list of measles outbreaks recently is remarkable.