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Manufacturing Is Mired In Low Gear, Seeking Momentum
Investors Busniness Daily ^ | 08/03/2015 | ANDREA RIQUIER

Posted on 08/04/2015 4:22:30 AM PDT by expat_panama

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To: jpsb

Don’t piss the socialist free traitors off......


41 posted on 08/04/2015 7:50:33 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: jpsb

I’m not finished discussing your excellent voluntary tariff idea.


42 posted on 08/04/2015 7:51:35 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot ("Telling the government to lower trade barriers to zero...is government interference" central_va)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Interesting. Do you see any difference in the trend by age? Are all age groups digging in for the long haul?

Boomers don’t need to move up, just the opposite. Youngers are realizing they don’t need to move up. These are the eco kids. Your post almost feels like movement back to the early 60s. We saw very few move up. People bought the house they could afford and planted for as long as possible where I came from. Sure there were the movers but a lot of people weren’t.


43 posted on 08/04/2015 7:53:30 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (It feels like we have exchaned our dreams for survival. We just have a few days that don't suck.)
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To: jpsb

I am not a fan of the progressive income tax. I would much prefer a flat (proportional) income tax or a consumption tax. (Under some reasonable assumptions, those two are essentially equivalent.) A tariff increases the price of imported goods and their domestic substitutes.


44 posted on 08/04/2015 7:57:03 AM PDT by riverdawg
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To: central_va
Don’t piss the socialist free traitors off......

Sorry, gov needs to be funded because it is a necessary evil so the smart thing to do is fund government in the least harmful way with the smallest possible amount of money. Tariffs, a voluntary tax. Make the tax to big and nobody will "volunteer" to pay it. Perfect solution. However tariffs will not generate the revenue required to fund a socialist welfare state. That requires an income tax. Which is why I would trade the IRS for tariffs in a new york second.

45 posted on 08/04/2015 8:03:00 AM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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To: riverdawg
their domestic-produced substitutes will have a higher price as well.

If domestic manufacturers are secretly colluding on price fixing then that is a crime.

46 posted on 08/04/2015 8:04:08 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: bert

The Constitution was written in 1787 so is it “out dated” also?


47 posted on 08/04/2015 8:06:03 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: expat_panama
Capacity utilization, which measures slack in firms' equipment use, hasn't breached 80%, the threshold at which they are commonly expected to need to invest in equipment, since early 2008. As productivity has stayed depressed, firms haven't needed more equipment...

If companies aren't investing in or spending capital expenditures, they aren't hiring people...

If they aren't at or near 100 % capacity that means the employees are not at 100 % utilization...

That's why companies are asking employees to do two or three people's jobs...instead of terminating them...

If they quit lots of people looking for work...

This administration runs the economy soviet style...command and control instead of free market...

48 posted on 08/04/2015 8:08:39 AM PDT by Popman (Christ Alone: My Cornerstone...)
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To: jpsb

You are talking to the biggest tariff proponent and anti income tax person on Free republic. We are simpatico.


49 posted on 08/04/2015 8:10:32 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
No price-fixing collusion is necessary for the result I stated to occur. It's just basic supply and demand.
50 posted on 08/04/2015 8:10:47 AM PDT by riverdawg
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To: riverdawg

So no domestic manufacturer will increases production and gain a bigger market share? The demand is static? So increasing tariffs will not stimulate domestic production? Where did you go to school?


51 posted on 08/04/2015 8:13:39 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: riverdawg
I have no objection to a reasonable consumption tax.

If there is sufficient domestic competition a tariff would not necessarily raise the price of domestic goods. There are lots of wineries in the USA putting a 20% tariff on imported wines would not effect to local wine prices, IMHO.

An effect revenue generating tariff would be a flat across board tariff, only stuff we need to import like crude oil would be exempt. We get into trouble with tariffs when we start using them to protect industries from competition. But that is a different topic.

52 posted on 08/04/2015 8:14:37 AM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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To: riverdawg

He thinks if we put a $10,000 tariff on imported cars, domestic car manufacturers will keep their prices the same.


53 posted on 08/04/2015 8:15:04 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot ("Telling the government to lower trade barriers to zero...is government interference" central_va)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Nobody said I wanted a 10K tariff per car you disingenuous fool. Maybe a quota system LIKE REAGAN did.


54 posted on 08/04/2015 8:17:16 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
I didn't say you wanted it, just that you didn't understand the effect.

Maybe a quota system LIKE REAGAN did.

A quota system won't raise domestic prices? Tell me more.

55 posted on 08/04/2015 8:19:21 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot ("Telling the government to lower trade barriers to zero...is government interference" central_va)
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To: central_va

don’t waste your time.


56 posted on 08/04/2015 8:21:12 AM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Domestic prices could go up, but social cost go down. Income taxes could go down or be eliminated. Win-win.

I would like to see the big 3 relocate to R-T-W states instead of the turd world. Every factory that closes in the USA is a mini tragedy.

57 posted on 08/04/2015 8:24:21 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: jpsb

I am convinced Todd is on the ChiCom payroll.


58 posted on 08/04/2015 8:25:00 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

I am proposing a revenue generating tariff. A protectionist tariff generates far fewer dollars and tends to piss off our trading partners. Sometimes protectionist tariffs (or quotas) are necessary too if a nation is dumping product below cost in an attempt to wipe out one of our industries but that is a different topic.


59 posted on 08/04/2015 8:27:10 AM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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To: jpsb

Yes tariffs can generate lots of revenue. Just want to offset it by reducing income taxes. Even a 10% tarriff of China alone would generate around 466 billion/yr. China can’t retaliate because the ALREADY tariff almost every non ag import.


60 posted on 08/04/2015 8:41:11 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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