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Putting Women in Combat Is an Even Worse Idea Than You’d Think
National Review ^ | July 15, 2015 | MIKE FREDENBURG

Posted on 07/16/2015 5:57:08 AM PDT by xzins

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21 posted on 07/16/2015 6:22:55 AM PDT by doc1019 (Blue lives matter)
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To: xzins

I know that having had women along on our armored cavalry ops in Vietnam would have gotten all that many more of our people killed.

Glad I’m out of the ferry farm that the US military is fast becoming.


22 posted on 07/16/2015 6:22:57 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: xzins

People will die in order to “prove” the liberal mantra that men and women are the same, and that “gender” is a continuum and that a person can pass from one to the other at will.


23 posted on 07/16/2015 6:23:47 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Ping.


24 posted on 07/16/2015 6:23:51 AM PDT by TADSLOS (A Ted Cruz Happy Warrior! GO TED!)
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To: affan76

Your brother’s letter is right on the money.

Why do we want to see our women killed?


25 posted on 07/16/2015 6:26:09 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray for their victory or quit saying you support our troops)
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To: xzins

As a condition, women must sign up for the draft. Popcorn is ready.


26 posted on 07/16/2015 6:26:55 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: xzins; Diana in Wisconsin

My daughter was in the Marines. She felt pretty tough when she got out of boot camp.

A short time later, she met an Army guy just out of boot camp and challenged him to a fight. He picked her up with one hand and tossed her across the room. Not judo...but like he was tossing a 100 lb bale of hay at the farm.

Then he said, “You’re cute!”

She decide “cute” was better than “hospitalized” and they got along well after that.

She later married a Marine in the infantry.

She says it is absolutely insane to try to put women in the infantry - that she never met a woman, in or out of the Marines, who could handle what the infantry had to do.


27 posted on 07/16/2015 6:27:31 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Can you remember what America was like in 2004?)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Don’t forget the sammiches... :)


28 posted on 07/16/2015 6:28:12 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

My daughter could drop all these badasses from 300 yds no sweat (E-5 currently in WLC at Todd Cornell NCO Academy in Fort McCoy).


29 posted on 07/16/2015 6:29:11 AM PDT by BraveMan (Trigger)
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To: Mr Rogers; Diana in Wisconsin

This article mentions the difference should a combat mission come down to hand-to-hand combat.

I guarantee you that if you put an NBA team on the court with a WNBA team that it would be a massacre.

Why would we expect combat to be any different?


30 posted on 07/16/2015 6:31:17 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray for their victory or quit saying you support our troops)
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To: xzins

In the Army a woman boasted to me of not having to do PT because she got a perfect 300 score on her PT test. I got 297. I yelled that I did twice what she did and she didn’t believe it. 70 vs 33 push-ups, 70 vs 35ish sit ups. 19 minute 2 mile run vs 14.


31 posted on 07/16/2015 6:32:36 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Of those born of women there is not risen one greater than John The Baptist.)
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To: xzins

I have to agree and disagree. I agree women aren’t the best suited to combat, but there are some situations where combat training (and some experience) for women could come in handy. For example, I was just reading about the Armenian genocide (and of course we know about other genocides). In those situation where the men are depleted through warfare or going underground to fight a guerilla war, the women are left to defend themselves and their children and old people. They could benefit from some tactical training in at least holding off the enemy until some help arrives.

Instead what we’ve seen throughout history is women being totally defenseless and eventually being rounded up and put on forced marches where the children and old and even many of the younger women die ... or they die in detention etc. We’ve seen this same scenario over and over even up to the present.

Even in WWII younger French women who were left behind when the French Army basically disintegrated or went underground ... they were rounded up to work as slaves in German munitions factories ... and eventually towards the end put in concentration camps with others. I’ve read stories of some of the younger women in those situations forming sort-of battle groups as best they could manage, escaping the camps and living rough in the nearby countryside, obtaining a few weapons with which to harry the retreating Germans and to defend themselves against advancing Russian troops who were often not kind to women POWs.

In light of many historical examples where the men are decimated through war (we see that now happening in Syria/Iraq) women could benefit from some military training to help defend those left behind.

We haven’t really seen to much of that in our country as we have had few wars on our soil which resulted in genocide or civilians ending up undefended from invading armies. There was some of that in the Revolutionary war and in those days many women knew how to operate a weapon and had some outdoor survival skills. Certainly frontier women had this knowledge and could defend themselves somewhat from Indian attacks while men were away hunting or at war.

So, just because women are in general not best suited for combat compared to men, compared to having nothing ... no training whatsoever and no way to defend yourself and your children, that is not good either.

This doesn’t necessarily mean women need to be in elite forces. But I do think all young people having some military training (like in Israel) makes your entire society more prepared for different contingencies ... such as the men being taken out and the women, children and older people being left at the mercy of invaders.

So yes, men can do a better job militarily ... if they are around. But if they are not around you need a second (and probably third) line of defense. Just because we haven’t faced the situation yet on our soil doesn’t mean it can’t happen. It would be good to have a greater percentage of our population have at least some military training.


32 posted on 07/16/2015 6:33:49 AM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Mr Rogers

I don’t know if that if the most twisted “love” story or the cutest?! “Mommy, how did you and Daddy meet?” “Well, sugar, Daddy tossed Mommy like a sack of potatoes and then we looked into each other’s eyes and fell madly in love”. LOL! :)


33 posted on 07/16/2015 6:36:01 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Diana, you sound awesome! I don’t think every woman is suitable for combat. I don’t think they should drop the bar so girls who want to play DOOM can get in. Keep the bar high; if women can get in, they are the elite who can serve this nation’s military. I will be content — proud — to serve here at my home, raising my kids with Christian values and a clear understanding of what it takes to keep a free nation free (and how it’s slipping away from us). And I’ll just play DOOM on my home computer.


34 posted on 07/16/2015 6:38:15 AM PDT by Mrs_Puddleglum (First God. Then family. Then country.)
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To: xzins

There’s a reason there aren’t a lot of girls playing high school football, or other men’s teams. Yes, I know that a few select women are stronger than the men, etc...and if they meet the standards...etc., but that is not what is going to happen. These MOS are going to be flooded with women who cannot keep up - it won’t just be a select few.


35 posted on 07/16/2015 6:40:15 AM PDT by lacrew
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To: xzins

Bingo! This is totally intentional - what started as misguided bogus “equality” issue with Bush1 through to Clinton and Bush2 is now an intentional decimation by our PINO Soetoro. Marine Serrano tried to speak out and she was royally squashed. She will probably be court martialed soon.


36 posted on 07/16/2015 6:40:32 AM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: xzins

Beverly LaHaye (CWA) & Phyllis Schlafly (Eagle’s Forum) had it right when they fought against the Equal Rights Amendment.


37 posted on 07/16/2015 6:41:13 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever
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To: Mr Rogers

Thanks for posting that. I agree that women in combat is an absolutely ridiculous idea.

My father was in the infantry. I’m thankful his life never depended upon being carried off the battlefield by a woman.

Despite the popular slogan, we CAN’T do everything men can do, and I don’t understand why we think we need to try. It isn’t a competition. We’re different. And that in no way means unequal.


38 posted on 07/16/2015 6:42:25 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (("This is a Laztatorship. You don't like it, get a day's rations and get out of this office."))
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To: xzins

This needs to be read into the Congressional Record, with the following commentary:

“No policy, written or unwritten, should contradict these realities. Women should be PROHIBITED from front line combat roles, to avoid the consequences of this misguided social experiment.”


39 posted on 07/16/2015 6:43:47 AM PDT by G Larry (Obama Hates America, Israel, Capitalism, Freedom, and Christianity.)
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To: Lorianne

I agree that it’s good for everyone to be weapons trained. Any family member should have the skill to protect the home with a firearm. Nor do I have any heartburn with women having survival skills. And, a gun being a great equalizer, I’ve no doubt that women have in the past and will again dispatch a good number of the enemy to meet their maker.

As you say, that’s a lot different than putting women in fighting units where all the members are trying to kill one another in combat.


40 posted on 07/16/2015 6:45:30 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray for their victory or quit saying you support our troops)
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