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Marching boldly into the New Post-homophobic Christianity
Hot Air.com ^ | July 5, 2015 | JAZZ SHAW

Posted on 07/05/2015 6:44:50 PM PDT by Kaslin

It wasn’t like we didn’t see this coming but it’s certainly arriving faster and harder than even some of the more conservative estimates would have predicted. Now that gay marriage (or just any old marriage if you prefer) is a “constitutionally assured right” in the United States, Left side proponents are taking their victory laps. But at the same time they’re going to stick to the established talking points of telling everyone not to worry… nothing bad is going to happen to anyone else. You’re just not adjusted to the New and Improved Post-Homophobic Christianity. (From the Daily Beast)

The world has changed. Christians and Christianity has changed, too. And again, I say, “Hallelujah!”

Will anti-gay Christians be politically and socially ostracized? I sure hope so. Just as those orthodox Christians who still believe in strict, traditional gender roles have been increasingly mocked as absurd. Once upon a time, marriage constituted property—the wife was the literal property of the husband, and could not legally let alone culturally own anything of her own. The governing cultural norm was that women should be barefoot, pregnant and subservient.

And you “old timey Christians” need to adjust to the new reality. But it’s not like we’re going to infringe on your religious freedom, haters.

There are, of course, still congregations that haven’t caught up with the times. But churches have always been able to use their discretion to decide whom to marry or turn away, and the Supreme Court ruling in Obergefell specifically noted such First Amendment protections for religious institutions.

As for everyone else, including florists and county clerks, yes, you will now have to provide the same services to straight couples that you provide to gay couples. Don’t like it? Find a new job. The law also requires that clerks issue birth certificates to the children of single mothers and that florists provide flowers for interracial weddings, regardless of the religious beliefs that have definitely been cited now and throughout history to condemn these families as well. Still, that doesn’t mean the law is trouncing on religion. It means the law is prioritizing equal treatment for all, as it should.

Pretty much everything in those two paragraphs is already being proven wrong. I specify “pretty much” because, as with most political memes, there’s a pea of truth buried at the bottom of the stack of mendacity filled mattresses. First to the truth portion: when it comes to clerks issuing licenses, the government has a monopoly on that “business” and the law has to be followed. Whether or not there can be a religious objection exemption offered to individual workers without stopping the flow of legal documents is something that will be sorted out going forward, but licenses must be available.

Except for that, however, the rest seems to be pie in the sky. Florists (and bakers) are not in the same position as government workers and issuing a government document is not the same thing as being forced to participate in a ceremony which violates your religious convictions. Trying to tie the issues of single mothers and mixed race couples into this is disingenuous, as I don’t see anyone citing such things as being contrary to established religious convictions. And as to the protection for religious institutions, Adam Freedman is already noticing the disturbing trends.

Already, a movement is afoot to silence religious opponents of same-sex marriage. Just two days after the Court’s ruling, journalist Mark Oppenheimer took to the pages of Time to argue for the total abolition of tax-exempt status for religious institutions. The American Civil Liberties Union, meanwhile, announced that it would no longer support the Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA), a federal statute designed to protect Americans against laws that “substantially burden” the free exercise of religion, for fear that RFRA will be “used as a sword to discriminate against women, gay and transgender people.” Liberal outlets such as the Think Progress website, calling the law an expression of “anti-gay backlash,” denounced Indiana’s recent attempt to enact its own version of RFRA.

Judges and bureaucrats will soon order states to remove any support, direct or indirect, for institutions that oppose gay marriage. This trend, of course, is already underway—witness the Catholic Church’s withdrawal from the adoption business in states where adoption agencies must place children with same-sex couples. But it’s one thing to be forced out of Massachusetts; now the Church must reconsider its adoption services throughout the U.S.

I don’t regret my long held position that the government shouldn’t be involved in marriage, but I admit yet again that I didn’t foresee how wide the litigants would push the door in the other direction if they prevailed in proving that it was. Had there been a finding that none of this was the government’s business, none of the rest of this would have much room to take root. But since we went the route of saying that marriage was a constitutional right, that is now being used as a cudgel to say that anything related to the subject is the government’s business as well. And when that premise is accepted, then religious liberty can be damned I suppose.

When two “rights” conflict in the eyes of the court, one of those sets of rights will have to give way. And the courts have shown repeatedly that they are generally willing to be a reflection of political winds of change rather than adherence to founding principles. The way the breeze is blowing today, if it comes down to a choice between that crusty old freedom of religion and the newly discovered right to marriage, the new broom sweeps clean. It’s a very ugly thing to watch unfolding before our eyes.


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1 posted on 07/05/2015 6:44:50 PM PDT by Kaslin
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2 posted on 07/05/2015 6:45:58 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

http://vigilantlibertyradio.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/jazz-shaw-profile-pic.jpg

“new reality”

Oh, there’s gonna be a “new reality” alright.


3 posted on 07/05/2015 6:47:55 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Be a blessing to a stranger today for some have entertained angels unaware)
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To: SaveFerris

Who is that?


4 posted on 07/05/2015 6:49:13 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

The name matches the author. Is it not correct? If not, I’ll ask for the post to be removed.


5 posted on 07/05/2015 6:50:13 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Be a blessing to a stranger today for some have entertained angels unaware)
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6 posted on 07/05/2015 6:50:35 PM PDT by lightman (O Lord, save Thy people and bless Thine inheritance, giving to Thy Church vict'ry o'er Her enemies.)
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To: SaveFerris

I don’t know, man. You lost me.

But It’s all good, I think.


7 posted on 07/05/2015 6:51:08 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: lightman

Excellent!


8 posted on 07/05/2015 6:51:38 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: Kaslin

Post homophobic Christianity would in fact be post Christian perversion.


9 posted on 07/05/2015 6:52:26 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Conservatism: Now home to liars too. And we'll support them. Yea... GOPe)
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To: SaveFerris

The freedom of religion is supposed to trump what the SC decided last week on homo marriages... in the respect that ministers do not have to marry homos if it’s against their religion. Let’s see if that is the rule after they get done with describing last week’s ruling.


10 posted on 07/05/2015 6:52:58 PM PDT by frnewsjunkie
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To: BenLurkin

Yeah, he’s just quoting the DB and we know what DB is. I’ll have it pulled.


11 posted on 07/05/2015 6:53:21 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Be a blessing to a stranger today for some have entertained angels unaware)
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To: frnewsjunkie

And 2 of the 5 SC were appointed by 44 (IIRC).

Fundamentally-transforming the USA.


12 posted on 07/05/2015 6:54:48 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Be a blessing to a stranger today for some have entertained angels unaware)
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To: BenLurkin

Politics seems to be the death of Democracy and anything that has any religious background. Democracy is now what the Courts decide, not what the people decide.

We are lost if this continues as it seems that any religious symbols are to be destroyed even though the Constitution makes it clear that no law against Religion is clear..

The Supreme’s continue to make their own laws regardless of what the Constitution says. They are becoming another Legislative branch instead of determining Constitutionality.

That means of course that we have become something much different than our forefathers expected. We have about another 30 years or so before be become just another fascist country.


13 posted on 07/05/2015 6:55:34 PM PDT by Deagle
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To: Kaslin
Now when did Christianity or Christians ever fear homosexuals or homosexuality? The rejection of that is not about fear.
14 posted on 07/05/2015 6:56:05 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: BenLurkin

God doesn’t send people to hell. They choose to go there.


15 posted on 07/05/2015 6:57:30 PM PDT by Catmom (We're all gonna get the punishment only some of us deserve.)
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To: Kaslin

Christianity looks to the new dawn of Christophobic Hedonism.


16 posted on 07/05/2015 6:58:40 PM PDT by windsorknot
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To: SaveFerris

Meaning the 5 of the 9, just in case nobody gets it.

Waiting on a self-appointed genius to tell me there are 9 on the SC.

Yeah, I know.


17 posted on 07/05/2015 6:58:59 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Be a blessing to a stranger today for some have entertained angels unaware)
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To: Kaslin
Will anti-gay Christians be politically and socially ostracized?

They say that as though being shunned by degenerates was a bad thing ;')

18 posted on 07/05/2015 6:59:43 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Kaslin

The Bible and it’s teachings have not changed! It is only man that continues to try to change things.


19 posted on 07/05/2015 7:02:00 PM PDT by Deagle
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To: Kaslin
Once upon a time, marriage constituted property—the wife was the literal property of the husband, and could not legally let alone culturally own anything of her own. The governing cultural norm was that women should be barefoot, pregnant and subservient.

I keep reading this. Does anyone know if this actually true?
20 posted on 07/05/2015 7:02:01 PM PDT by ronnietherocket3 (Mary is understood by the heart, not study of scripture.)
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