They are. . .
Posted on 06/25/2015 5:41:36 PM PDT by markomalley
No, you don't know.
There were only 18 attempted suicides in 18 months among 750,000 - 800,000 workers at 27 plants, and they were for various reasons. Of the 18 attempts, 14 were successful, resulting in a remarkably low 0.187 suicides per 100,000 overall rate per year.
According to the independent investigators, none of them seemed to be related at all to working conditions.
A couple seemed to be related to romantic problems. . . at least according to the notes left behind. Jilted lovers, etc.
A couple were mental illness issues.
One was based on perceived or real bullying by co-workers.
At least one suicide was based on homesickness according to his friends.
Terry Gou, CEO of HonHai, the parent company of FoxConn, made a serious error in judgement. He started personally giving the families of the suicided workers the equivalent of $25,000-$35,000 in sympathy for their deaths. When word of this got out, some workers who were working overtime and sending money home to their families decided they were worth more to their families dead than alive. This resulted in the spate of eight attempts and six suicides at one factory in the space of about three months in 2010. . . which prompted CEO Gou to hang the nets and also STOP the sympathy payments.
When word that no more sympathy payments would be forthcoming, the suicides stopped.
iPhone manufacturer Foxconn to double worker salaries by 2013
Foxconn’s current base salary ($350) per month is already higher than the RMB 1,500 ($240) statutory minimum wage per month in the city of Shenzhen.
Your statement
The workers making Apple products are paid seven times the prevailing Chinese minimum wage. If those workers were in the United States working for the equivalent ratio of the minimum wage, they'd be earning $52 per hour.
is poppycock.
No link, a comment from a thread where a poster commented that the author of the app stated they were petitioning to be re-instated on educational grounds and using the letters they had received from History teachers as evidence of the app's accuracy. I think that Apple will relent in these cases based on their statement of policy. As I said, it looks as if whoever did the excision of the apps used a meat cleaver when he/she should have used a scalpel. Certainly a definite lack of judgement in deciding which should go and which could stay.
I am not a member of any Apple PR team. If you want to slam Apple, go ahead and slam Apple for what they actually do . . . but do it with truth, not lies. Note my PING to the list called this "Apple PC Stupidity". . . but I also posted verbatim Apple's official statement on what they did and why. If they stick to that, they should restore any App that has the Confederate Battle Flag that meets the criteria that is educational or that does not denigrate anyone.
I think that Apple acted precipitously and without regard to facts and I abhor that kind of action. It was a stupid, mindless knee jerk reaction done without proper planning and consideration. . . typical of the Liberal mindset.
On the other hand, there are those on FreeRepublic that are acting in the same way, lashing out at Apple with non-facts, nonsense and the lies from the past. . . lies that have been demonstrated before to have been lies. Propaganda promulgated by the competition to make Apple look as bad as possible. . . for example attributing to Apple stories that actually involve other companies but use Apple's name to garner Webpage clicks, like these overblown exaggerated suicide stories.
They've refused the National Park Services' request to pull all Confederate Battle Flag merchandise . . . and say they will continue to refuse to do so.
Apple is so overrated. Android is better anyway.
Because it would be irrelevant unless I also posted what you can buy with it. the cost of living is very low in comparison to our cost of living. As I stated the workers on Apple's assembly lines receive seven times the Chinese minimum wage.
Essentially, they are working for an excellent wage IN THEIR ECONOMY. By 2013, workers on Apple assembly lines were earning at least the equivalent $650 US per month before overtime. Room and board was $50 per month if they chose to stay in a company dormitory. . . while an apartment in town could be as much as $75 per month.
Workers on non-Apple assembly lines are usually be paid 1/3 to 1/2 of those rates. . . and sometimes even less.
The payments that Terry Gou was making to the suicides was the equivalent of 41 years of tax free earnings for a minimum wage worker (what a shop or field worker would earn), a lifetime of earnings, merely for killing oneself, that would help one's family financial condition.
At least one of the 2010 suicides left behind a note indicating that now his family's financial problems would be over. Another had been employed less than three weeks and had worked only two hours of overtime. The psychiatric consensus was that suicidal impulses could NOT have developed from work related depression after such a short time and that this "victim" most likely "sought employment at FoxConn for the sole purpose of killing himself and enriching his family."
Apple manufactures the Mac Pro in Austin, Texas, and assembles the iMacs in Elk Grove, California, both in the USA.
World wide coordinated attack. I’ve never seen anything like this in my entire life.
They even got Alibaba in CHINA (sort of the ebay/amazon of China) to go along with this!
Oh GOOD GRIEF!
First of all the City of Shenzhen's minimum wage is NOT the prevailing Chinese minimum wage and secondly the products being made in the Shenzhen factory are exactly WHAT, central_va?
The FoxConn plant in Shenzhen was manufacturing: Microsoft Xbox, Nokia Phones, HP computers and Sony Playstations. . . that's what was being manufactured at the Shenzheng factory. Do you see any Apple product on that list? I don't. This is well established fact revealed at the time of the suicides and true through mid 2012 when FoxConn moved some iPad assembly there.
There are NO Apple iPhones, Apple iPads, or Apple iPods manufactured there in that time frame. . . in fact, not one Apple product was manufactured at the Shenzhen plant for those wages. They were being assembled on assembly lines at least 150 miles away. . . and in several other manufacturing sites.
I said that Apple's assembly line workers are paid seven times the prevailing Chinese minimum wage, not that Microsoft's, Nokia's, HP's, or Sony's assembly line workers were paid seven times the prevailing ShenZhen minimum wage. Try reading what I actually wrote, not what you want me to have written.
Apple workers are paid two to three times more than workers on FoxConn's other FoxConn manufacturers' assembly lines because Apple's contracts require it. OOPS. Sorry, not one ounce of poppycock in what I posted, only truth. I don't lie.
Jealousy from other workers about Apple workers wages is what precipitated Terry Gou's decision to raise the rates for other workers. . . It was beginning to be too much of a dichotomy . . . and was what Apple intended to happen. HonHai's profits were impacted for a couple of years until the long term contracts with its customers were adjusted for the higher costs.
It would be good to see game companies ban together and pull ALL games off I-Tunes
but they won’t
Hence why I said that whomever you were quoting in your statement was an utter liar. They wholesale lopped off apps, and are waiting for developers to come crawling back and ‘make the case for their existence.’ A practice that Apple has used repeatedly, and prima facie why Apple’s monopoly on the sales of apps to IOS devices is a monopoly that needs to be utterly busted.
Android phones cannot be sold or given away when you are done with them because they cannot be fully erased of the user's private data and passwords. OOPS!
Flawed Android Reset leaves crypto and login keys ripe for picking — Ars Technica
630 million Android phones have this built in flaw. . . and most of them will not be updatable. Real great operating system you got there. Another 650 million Samsung Android phones have a factory pre-installed keyboard that allows a malicious third party to turn on your microphone and listen into your conversations. WHEE! 97% of all mobile malware exists on Android phones. More WHEE!
You are such an unbiased source on Android phone, of course.
:p
Where has Apple used such a technique? I think you may be using a bit of hyperbole here. I agree they used a machete where Apple should have used a much more nuanced approach to accomplish what they intended to do. Steve Jobs would NOT have done it.
Hence my link to Ars Technica. . . I can also link to articles on the keyboard problem of the Samsung phones. The 97% malware issue is well known and is indisputable. . .
This isn’t about avoiding support of slavery (not that flying the Battle Flag does this), this is about wiping out an entire section of history. Next to go is Axis and Allies games.
lol
No meant it to be funny, since you are the FR Apple Guy
I’ll bet someone will make a killing selling Confederate Flag iPhone Covers.
They are. . .
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