Posted on 06/24/2015 8:11:37 AM PDT by C19fan
Douthat argued that by granting broad exemptions, the winning side could allow religious conservatives to surrender with some dignity intact. But in order for the proposed terms of surrender to be acceptable to the victors, they cannot be integral to the principle that was itself the object of the war. If there is a clear defeat, the terms of surrender must actually entail capitulation and not amount to an attempt to carry on the fight by other means or in other theatres.
To use a famous line from Winston Churchill gay marriage is not the beginning of the end but the end of the beginning.
The preponderance of data on gay rights today suggests that most Americans do not just support specific policies about same-sex marriage or nondiscrimination; they have embraced underlying values of full equal treatment under the law and equal access to opportunities. And if that is the great principle that has been decided by the decades-long culture war, the terms of surrender will need to be consistent with it.
Polygamy. Beastiality. Removing the age of consent. And persecuting businesses and Churches which do not go along.
Yup. All of that.
What it means is that you’ll get an appointment card in the mail to present yourself at the nearest bath house and surrender for unprotected butt sex with some papa bear homo. You probably had better be into hard spanking in addition.
If the Supreme Court imposes 50 state homosexual marriage, that will not be the end of things.
What this will do is move the goal posts. Having achieved this goal will not be the end of homosexual activism.
I think that polygamy or group marriage will definitely be the subject of future lawsuits. I also fear that churches will be sued if they don’t allow homosexual marriage in their denominations.
What should happen, in my opinion, is that the gay activists should fold up their tent and go home, if they achieve this stated goal. But I doubt that will happen. There are other goals they want to achieve, which are based on the moving of the goalposts here.
So look for years and years of lawsuits and social upheaval in a world in which homosexual marriage is decreed as a social norm and legally the same as traditional marriage.
Correct.
And creating a reality where there is fight back.
What it will all do is cause churches to quit the tax-exempt status stuff.
As I understand it that the Defeat of DOMA was at least in part was that the federal government had no right to define marriage. Now the federal government will assume that right. What rights are left to the several states to define marriage. If the age of consent is 16 in Alabama is it fair that couples have to wait to 18 in California?
Maybe some churches will go underground, or off the grid so to speak. Maybe believers will gather in private in private homes to worship and pray, apart from the structure of an organized denomination’s church.
You wonder too, how will churches survive financially, if deprived of tax exempt status. There will be changes in how they operate, that’s for sure. And all because of an issue such as homosexual marriage. Tragic in my opinion that it comes to this.
You are right. But that was then and this is now.
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In 2013 ,the liberal view was that since a number of states had allowed homosexual marriage, that the federal government must allow for same because the federal government was compelled to accept definitions of marriage from the states.
But now in 2015, the reasoning has reversed, because the liberal view is now that we should have 50 state homosexual marriage, no matter how this is justified legally. The liberal view is now that homosexual marriage should be imposed from the top down, and states have no right to define marriage anymore.
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As I said, I see churches quiting its tax-exempt status, so this will free those who preach to not be afraid to preach the truth.
Churches must perform marriages of pedophiles to the children they are abusing.
There’s no reason why not.
Mandatory homosexual relations as part of government school curricula.
You wonder too, how will churches survive financially, if deprived of tax exempt status
it then devolves into a matter of what the faithful are willing to bear, in terms of assessment...which, in my opinion, is the way it should be anyway...
invoking a favorable tax status in order to operate commodiously is plying footsie with El Diablo...
I would posit that it is the beginning of the end BECAUSE it is the end of the beginning.
Gay couples will have equal standing to adopt little boys. Oh wait..., preferred status since they have problems with natural reproduction.
I've been asking the question for Years.
Age of Consent Laws and Incest Laws have always varied from State to State. Once the Supreme Court Federalizes Gay Marriage, everything must change to meet a the guidelines of a new Federal Statute.
This goes way beyond Gay Marriage, it strikes at the very concept of States Rights, or the lack thereof.
There will be no Legal remedy to outlaw Incestuous Marriage and Polygamous Marriage between Consenting Adults throughout the Country. I wonder what the Supreme Court will agree on as an Age of Consent? The Liberals will probably come up with 12 and the Conservatives will say 18. I don't Bestiality will be an issue since the Animal involved cannot grant Consent, yet. LOL
BI “marriage” is next. That will open the doors to multiple partners in a “marriage.”
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