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King John Tried to Butcher the Authors of Magna Carta
Foundation for Economic Education ^ | June 15, 2015 | James Bovard

Posted on 06/19/2015 11:22:45 AM PDT by Sopater



On this day 800 years ago, King John was compelled to sign the Magna Charta, formally accepting a limit to his prerogative to ravage everything in England. But the ink on his signature was barely dry before he brought in foreign forces and tried to wipe out the barons who had compelled him to sign the Charta.

The English almost lost their newly-recognized rights within months of the signing because they were not sufficiently suspicious of the King.

As David Hume noted in his magisterial History of England,

The ravenous and barbarous mercenaries, incited by a cruel and enraged prince, were let loose against the estates, tenants, manors, houses, parks of the barons, and spread devastation over the face of the kingdom.

Nothing was to be seen but the flames of villages and castles reduced to ashes, the consternation and misery of the inhabitants, tortures exercised by the soldiery to make them reveal their concealed treasures.

Few people recall that Pope Innocent speedily sought to annul the charter and formally absolved King John of any obligation to obey Magna Charta. English liberties received a boost from the death of King John less than a year after Runnymede.

The real lesson of Magna Charta is that solemn pledges do not make tyrants trustworthy. Similarly, American presidents are required to pledge upon taking office that “I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully… preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”

At this point, that oath does little more than spur cheers from high school civics teachers. It has been more than 40 years since any president paid a serious price for trampling the law — and presidents have a prerogative to trample constitutional rights as long as they periodically proclaim their devotion to democracy.

In the final realm, Magna Charta was simply a political promise — and it would only be honored insofar as private courage, resolution, and weaponry compelled sovereigns to limit their abuses.

For an excellent analysis of why the heritage of Magna Charta did not prove a panacea in this nation, see Anthony Gregory’s The Power of Habeas Corpus in America.

Here’s David Hume’s account of what happened after Magna Charta was signed, copied from the excellent Liberty Fund online version of Hume’s history:

John seemed to submit passively to all these regulations, however injurious to majesty: He sent writs to all the sheriffs, ordering them to constrain every one to swear obedience to the twenty-five barons. He dismissed all his foreign forces: He pretended, that his government was thenceforth to run in a new tenor, and be more indulgent to the liberty and independance of his people.

But he only dissembled, till he should find a favourable opportunity for annulling all his concessions. The injuries and indignities, which he had formerly suffered from the pope and the king of France, as they came from equals or superiors, seemed to make but small impression on him: But the sense of this perpetual and total subjection under his own rebellious vassals, sunk deep in his mind, and he was determined, at all hazards, to throw off so ignominious a slavery. 

He grew sullen, silent, and reserved: He shunned the society of his courtiers and nobles: He retired into the Isle of Wight, as if desirous of hiding his shame and confusion; but in this retreat he meditated the most fatal vengeance against all his enemies.

He secretly sent abroad his emissaries to inlist foreign soldiers, and to invite the rapacious Brabançons into his service, by the prospect of sharing the spoils of England, and reaping the forfeitures of so many opulent barons, who had incurred the guilt of rebellion, by rising in arms against him. And he dispatched a messenger to Rome, in order to lay before the pope the Great Charter, which he had been compelled to sign, and to complain, before that tribunal, of the violence, which had been imposed upon him.

Innocent, considering himself as feudal lord of the kingdom, was incensed at the temerity of the barons, who, though they pretended to appeal to his authority, had dared, without waiting for his consent, to impose such terms on a prince, who, by resigning to the Roman pontiff his crown and independance, had placed himself immediately under the papal protection.

He issued, therefore, a bull, in which, from the plenitude of his apostolic power, and from the authority, which God had committed to him, to build and destroy kingdoms, to plant and overthrow, he annulled and abrogated the whole charter, as unjust in itself, as obtained by compulsion, and as derogatory to the dignity of the apostolic see.

He prohibited the barons from exacting the observance of it: He even prohibited the king himself from paying any regard to it: He absolved him and his subjects from all oaths, which they had been constrained to take to that purpose: And he pronounced a general sentence of excommunication against every one, who should persevere in maintaining such treasonable and iniquitous pretensions.

The king, as his foreign forces arrived along with this bull, now ventured to take off the mask; and, under sanction of the pope’s decree, recalled all the liberties which he had granted to his subjects, and which he had solemnly sworn to observe. But the spiritual weapon was found upon trial to carry less force with it, than he had reason from his own experience to apprehend.

The primate refused to obey the pope in publishing the sentence of excommunication against the barons; and though he was cited to Rome, that he might attend a general council, there assembled, and was suspended, on account of his disobedience to the pope, and his secret correspondence with the king’s enemies.

Though a new and particular sentence of excommunication was pronounced by name against the principal barons; John still found, that his nobility and people, and even his clergy, adhered to the defence of their liberties, and to their combination against him: The sword of his foreign mercenaries was all he had to trust to for restoring his authority.

The barons, after obtaining the Great Charter, seem to have been lulled into a fatal security, and to have taken no rational measures, in case of the introduction of a foreign force, for reassembling their armies. The king was from the first master of the field; and immediately laid siege to the castle of Rochester, which was obstinately defended by William de Albiney, at the head of a hundred and forty knights with their retainers, but was at last reduced by famine.

… The ravenous and barbarous mercenaries, incited by a cruel and enraged prince, were let loose against the estates, tenants, manors, houses, parks of the barons, and spread devastation over the face of the kingdom. Nothing was to be seen but the flames of villages and castles reduced to ashes, the consternation and misery of the inhabitants, tortures exercised by the soldiery to make them reveal their concealed treasures, and reprizals no less barbarous, committed by the barons and their partizans on the royal demesnes, and on the estates of such as still adhered to the crown.

Read the rest of Hume’s account here.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1215; godsgravesglyphs; history; kingjohn; magnacarta; middleages; renaissance; romancatholicism
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1 posted on 06/19/2015 11:22:45 AM PDT by Sopater
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To: Sopater

He had to sign it to see what was in it


2 posted on 06/19/2015 11:29:18 AM PDT by Jolla
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To: Sopater
So naturally, these Barons were nascent democratic republicans, solicitous of the rights of their peasant dependents.
3 posted on 06/19/2015 11:29:49 AM PDT by CharlesOConnell (CharlesOConnell)
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To: Sopater

The lesson: Tyrants only obey oaths when there is real and credible force to back it up. Claire Wolf, our awkward time is almost over.


4 posted on 06/19/2015 11:31:17 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (A free society canÂ’t let the parameters of its speech be set by murderous Islamists.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
The lesson: Tyrants only obey oaths when there is real and credible force to back it up.

Correct, and the force must come from the people.
5 posted on 06/19/2015 11:32:37 AM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: Sopater

While the current administration is trying to eradicate the remaining vestiges found within the Constitution.


6 posted on 06/19/2015 11:35:56 AM PDT by Republican1795.
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To: Sopater

Nobody would ever want a Plantagenet as a next door neighbor. WhT a bad bunch


7 posted on 06/19/2015 11:40:19 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Sopater

What would have happened if Richard had executed his brother John for his treason, instead of forgiving him? Would Richard’s successor(s) have agreed to and complied with the barons’ demands in 1215? Just a thought.


8 posted on 06/19/2015 11:42:35 AM PDT by twister881
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To: Sopater

Our “Declaration of Independence and Constitution” were on the ragged edge of life support for some time after 1776 too. (Still are as a matter of fact) Freedom is not a given anywhere on this planet.


9 posted on 06/19/2015 11:43:59 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Sopater

How’d that work out?


10 posted on 06/19/2015 11:44:15 AM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: twister881

We seen the last of Good King Richard
Ring out the past his name lives on
Roll out the bones and raise up your pitcher
Raise up your glass to Good King John


11 posted on 06/19/2015 11:46:51 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Sopater

BTT


12 posted on 06/19/2015 11:52:42 AM PDT by Lawgvr1955 ( Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Sopater

Interestingly, there have been no subsequent King Johns of England. Although Portugal had a few kings named John, the name isn’t very popular for kings, even though quite a few popes had that name.


13 posted on 06/19/2015 11:55:25 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Sopater

King John after signing the Magna Carta is like Obama after the 2014 elections.

Screw them both.


14 posted on 06/19/2015 12:06:45 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: Fiji Hill

England had an unfortunate young Prince John who was the youngest brother of Queen Elizabeth II’s father and the Duke of Windsor (the guy who resigned). The young man had epileptic fits and was sent to a country estate to get him out of the way, he was an embarrassment to the royals. The King and Queen Mary visited him only rarely. They kept any mention of him out of the news. He died approx. age twelve of an epileptic fit. His only playmates were the children of his caretakers. There’s a documentary about him on You Tube.


15 posted on 06/19/2015 12:45:52 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: Jolla
"He had to sign it to see what was in it."

Good one.

16 posted on 06/19/2015 12:49:27 PM PDT by jumpingcholla34 (.)
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To: Ciexyz

https://search.yahoo.com/search?p=prince+john+of+windsor&fr=ush-mailn_02&fr2=p%3Aml%2Cm%3Asb


17 posted on 06/19/2015 12:53:51 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: Ciexyz

https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=JN.JZibleJxuu%2b%2bJsi0vY7j%2fw&pid=15.1&P=0

photo of young Prince John of Windsor (1905-1919) died at age 13.


18 posted on 06/19/2015 12:57:11 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: Sopater
The following does not conflict with any of the facts related above, but it does fill in some missing considerations:

"Though in form a free grant of liberties, the charter had really been won from John at the sword's point. It could not in any sense be looked upon as an act of legislation. He had accepted the terms demanded by the barons, but he would do so only so long as he was compelled to. He had already taken measures to acquire both juridical and physical weapons against his enemies by appealing to the pope, and sending abroad for mercenary troops. By a Bull dated August 24 at Anagni, Innocent III revoked the charter and later on excommunicated the rebellious barons.

"The motives of Innocent's action are not far to seek. To begin with, he was probably misled as to the facts, and trusted too much to the king's account of what had happened. He was naturally inclined to protect the interests of a professed crusader and a vassal, and he took up the position that the barons could not be judges in their own cause but should have referred the matter to him for arbitration. But, more than this, he maintained quite correctly that the king had made the concessions under compulsion, and that the barons were in open rebellion against the Crown." --The Catholic Encyclopedia

19 posted on 06/19/2015 1:02:17 PM PDT by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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. To begin with, he was probably misled as to the facts, and trusted too much to the king's account of what had happened. He was naturally inclined to protect the interests of a professed crusader and a vassal,

We ARE talking about the same pope that put the entire country of England under interdict because they had the audacity not to want Stephen Langton as Archbishop of Canterbury, excommunicating King John and deposed him and absolved his subjects of their allegiance to him?

The one who told Philip of France to invade and oust John from his throne.

That pope?

Oh yeah.. I am sure he thought John was the paragon of all virtues.

he took up the position that the barons could not be judges in their own cause but should have referred the matter to him for arbitration.

They did. Innocent III told them to go away and stop bothering him.

20 posted on 06/19/2015 1:14:35 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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