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Robert Reich: Americans have had it with free trade
Salon ^ | June 16, 2015 | Robert Reich

Posted on 06/16/2015 2:17:57 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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A liberal's appeal to class warfare never acknowledges taxation, regulation and lawsuit abuse - how the Left has squeezed business, imposed Obamacare and pushed our economy toward a slow motion death spiral.

"In game theory and economic theory, a zero-sum game is a mathematical representation of a situation in which each participant's gain (or loss) of utility is exactly balanced by the losses (or gains) of the utility of the other participant(s). If the total gains of the participants are added up and the total losses are subtracted, they will sum to zero. Thus cutting a cake, where taking a larger piece reduces the amount of cake available for others, is a zero-sum game if all participants value each unit of cake equally (see marginal utility). In contrast, non-zero-sum describes a situation in which the interacting parties' aggregate gains and losses can be less than or more than zero. A zero-sum game is also called a strictly competitive game while non-zero-sum games can be either competitive or non-competitive. Zero-sum games are most often solved with the minimax theorem which is closely related to linear programming duality, or with Nash equilibrium...."

1 posted on 06/16/2015 2:17:58 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Meh, being against a horrific deal is a far cry from being against freetrade. Nice try Salon.


2 posted on 06/16/2015 2:21:04 AM PDT by z taxman
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.... America’s real-life distributional game is analogous,

Trying to pose a problem in a sterile academic case environment where one can assume there are no non-parameterized influences is hardly justification for taking that result out into the real world and using it to guide your actions. It's mental masturbation.

The fact is that Reich's simple word problems aren't and can't be applicable because of any number of things: accompanying policy, political goals, subversive goals (Obama's case), adversarial relationships within the country, punitive taxation policies, income redistribution, largesse, crony influence and any number of undefinable impacts. It just isn't possible, because the DISTRIBUTION part (actually, the REDISTRIBUTION part) isn't based on just one common factor that is easily understood.

3 posted on 06/16/2015 2:28:35 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

When you’re on the same side as Robert Reich and his fellows, you might be doing it wrong.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3299719/posts?page=15#15


4 posted on 06/16/2015 2:29:57 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can help: https://donate.tedcruz.org/c/FBTX0095/)
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Reich is...., well, let’s just say, he’s not very bright, or honest.


5 posted on 06/16/2015 2:33:24 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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Dead wrong Mr. Reich.

They - both sides - just don’t trust Obama to negotiate a fair deal.

We really need a deal to stop the spread of China’s influence. With this President, won’t get done. Will have truly negative implications over the long run.


6 posted on 06/16/2015 2:33:42 AM PDT by dan on the right
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“Meh, being against a horrific deal is a far cry from being against free trade.”

Agree. Also, IMHO, free trade doesn't work with countries who have centralized government control of labor costs and who subsidize their own industries, even at a temporary loss, to flood foreign markets and put foreign competitors out of business. IMHO both political parties are culpable for what's happened to our foreign trade, for different reasons.

7 posted on 06/16/2015 2:34:12 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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Reich: "It’s not that ... the President is especially weak (no president can pull off a major deal like this if the public isn’t behind him"

Uh, the public has never been behind Obamacare, and the Obama of a few years ago rammed that through, so yeah, Obama is weaker now by Reich's reasoning.

8 posted on 06/16/2015 2:36:54 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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And so many here on FR seem to agree with stuff like this.

Jesus Christ: You can’t impeach Him and He ain’t gonna resign.




9 posted on 06/16/2015 2:45:46 AM PDT by rdb3 (THY KINGDOM COME!)
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His game reminds me of an old joke. A peasant finds a magic lamp and a genie appears. He offers him one wish. The peasant says, “My neighbor has a goat, and every day he has fresh butter and cheese. My goat died last winter, and now if I want butter and cheese I have to buy it from him. It isn’t fair.”

“So what is your wish?”

“I want you to kill his goat.”


10 posted on 06/16/2015 2:49:45 AM PDT by Hugin ("Do yourself a favor--first thing, get a firearm!",)
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That’s right; that is why we are losing to Red China. Americans will either settle for a bowl of soup for work, or they will be unemployed.


11 posted on 06/16/2015 2:50:20 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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We can’t blame the rest of the world for us overtaxing and overregulating industry here.


12 posted on 06/16/2015 2:58:37 AM PDT by cripplecreek (You vote for your TPP supporter and I'll vote for mine.)
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Some might attribute this response to envy or spite. But when I ask my students why they refused to accept anything less than $250 and thereby risked getting nothing at all, they say it’s worth the price of avoiding unfairness.

This doesn't prove that Reich's students aren't envious or spiteful. It proves that they prefer to CALL their envy and spite by a nicer name.

13 posted on 06/16/2015 3:04:15 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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Taxing and regulating is not why all the jobs are moving. It is simply a matter of wages. You never hear about executive positions being moved to low cost areas though do you.


14 posted on 06/16/2015 3:16:08 AM PDT by pas
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You never hear about executive positions being moved to low cost areas though do you.

No, we hear about them being eliminated.
15 posted on 06/16/2015 3:18:10 AM PDT by cripplecreek (You vote for your TPP supporter and I'll vote for mine.)
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To: Hugin

Good one.

I wonder where Reich got the “imaginary” $1K that he “gave” to each of the two groups?

Free money?

btw - I guess investment, overhead, taxes, etc doesn’t enter into his “simple game.”


16 posted on 06/16/2015 3:18:48 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Arthur McGowan

Reich is teaching them to be good little SJWs (social justice warriors).


17 posted on 06/16/2015 3:21:27 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

Countries involved in TPP:

United States, Australia, Brunei Darussalam, Chile, Malaysia, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore, Vietnam, Canada, Mexico and Japan.


18 posted on 06/16/2015 3:25:05 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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I made more money selling pay telephones, part-time than any of the executives made working full-time. But I'm sure there'll be someone along any minute now to tell me that all sales positions are scams and a rip-off.
19 posted on 06/16/2015 3:28:06 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can help: https://donate.tedcruz.org/c/FBTX0095/)
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China was deliberately excluded as a means of economically strengthening other Pacific rim nations and pushing back on China.

That’s a good thing.


20 posted on 06/16/2015 3:30:59 AM PDT by cripplecreek (You vote for your TPP supporter and I'll vote for mine.)
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