Posted on 06/15/2015 11:48:43 AM PDT by Mozilla
> I don’t think the guy was bright enough to understand the consequences of what he was doing and what it meant for him and nationals ecurity. He seems to have figure he would just be a hero of some sort. But this article claims a lot of what he was saying was bunk and 900,000 of the documents he stole were not intelligence related. So the guy didn’t know what he was doing just wanted to expose the NSA any way he could.
I think that’s pretty close and as good an assessment as to his motivations as any.
This article discusses the claim, advanced by the attorney general in Germany, that a single document is bunk.
Germany being, of course, a nation that routinely spies on its friends and foes alike with the help of the U.S. government & NSA.
Nothing to see here.....
So now when the German government says "Nothing to see here folks, move along" that's the end of the story. Because they wouldn't lie, would they?
I couldn’t agree more with everything you said about Snowden. What a traitor! He will get what is coming to him one day. He is smart to stay out of the USA.
He’s already fingered...or are you not paying attention. The way you are defending him it appears you’d like to lick him...to each his own.
It also makes perfect sense to me as an IT person-- if phone A is calling a suspicious number in Peshawar, I want know not only who the guy is calling in Pakistan but also who he's calling inside the US. If the algorithm detects a pattern like every time he calls Peshawar, he calls two other phones in the US, then I see something interesting. It may be nothing-- maybe he's calling relatives; or, maybe its a sleeper cell or a new ISIS recruit. Ditto for MIME headers on email.
This is all perfectly legal: to record the call inside the US they still need a warrant. To me, there's a grey area if an automated system records the call-- if no one actually listens to it or has it transcribed, is that a 4th Amendment violation? Not sure.
In any case, I don't see any real problems arising from the NSA-- while I do see real problems with the use of the IRS, ATFE and FBI to harass political opponents of the regime and selective prosecution of political opponents, bogus "John Doe" investigations like the ones in Wisconsin, etc. Curiously, the Fed courts don't seem to give a damn about those.
You don't have to worry about the NSA because the IRS, FBI, Fed and local prosecutors will prosecute you (and discourage campaign contributions) sufficiently to dissuade anyone from attacking big government, and the Federal courts will be happy to rubber stamp the whole process, long before the NSA or CIA get around to you.
Perhaps, but the intent of the law is usually irrelevant (otherwise the 2nd Amendment would have become nugatory when the National Guard act was passed and most states eliminated their armed militias, which is what the libs more or less argue).
I would also guess that the NSA cannot possibly store the content of every phone call or email: it would simply take up too muck space and render searches for key-words and phrases interminable.
What the NSA does seems on the up and up (I don't see to see politically motivated prosecutions arising from NSA data). I do see lots of politically motivated harassment emanating from the IRS, ATFE and Federal prosecutors, as well as the absurd application of statutes intended to thwart terrorism or organized crime (such as money laundering laws) against hundreds of ordinary Americans. I also see the courts doing almost nothing about it.
I’m not sure who I hate more, snowden for being a traitor or the NSA for violating the constitution by spying on US citizens
what the NSA did was wrong.
But he outed our overseas spying projects and much much more. Like I said, I hope a special forces bullet finds his head.
He was an ultra leftists before this happened and still is. But that is conveniently forgotten. Just like all leftists, he wanted to hurt the country.
When he found out Cheney disagreed with what he did, he said he could find no great compliment. What does that tell us.
A “national hero” who voluntarily moved to RUSSIA? After voluntarily moving to China?
And now works for the FSA (KGB) US signals intercept?
A “national hero” helping the FSA collect all the US personal data NSA cannot? Recording and transcribing your personal phone conversations?
Who you gonna sue now?
And if we disagree with you, we are part of the conspiracy, right?
“How is he a traitor?”
Upstanding US citizens who work for NSA or any other Gov Org on finding wrong doing become whistle-blowers through channels and testify before Congress;
they do not take hard copies of stolen data to China and Russia;
they do not go to work for a foreign intelligence service (FSA);
they do not steal US Intel Methods and Means (of collection) to simply reveal to the public something which has been in the public for decades (bulk US domestic data collection).
Collecting phone records is what the phone companies do; NSA fault was that such a program was not actually authorized by Congress, but rather a mistaken extension of other collections.
The only metal Eddy deserves has a brass jacket.
He moved to Russia and now works for the FSA (KGB). Good choice for someone only months on the job in his Admin role, who naturally believed that the people he was working for were out to get him - and responded by stealing and fleeing to a foreign country - makes no sense does it?
He did not even try to apply for protection here, before fleeing to China.
“The way you are defending him it appears you’d like to lick him...to each his own.”
Sorry, that’s your thing. Id rather just shake his hand and thank him for remembering his loyalty is to the Constitution, and not to the criminals who can justify -anything- they wish in the name of security.
“He did not even try to apply for protection here, before fleeing to China.”
He saw two previous whistleblowers raided by the FBI and prosecuted.
To apply for protection here would be like a mafia guy about to testify asking the mob boss for protection, instead of going into witness protection.
If he would have tried, he would have been arrested and destroyed immediately.
Serious question, if you use police state methods, if you claim you must watch the electronic moves of every single American without restraint, if the American people must live under full observation at all times, then what -exactly- are you protecting us from? Totalitarianism?
“He moved to Russia and now works for the FSA (KGB).”
He works for the Russian space program? What an exciting career field! (or did you mean the “FSB”, which replaced the KGB?)
That’s a kinda basic current events thing since the mid 90s.
He ratted out the real traitors. They control the narrative and you believe it.
Even assuming he wasn’t working with the KGB from the beginning then KGB doesn’t even need thousands of engineers to crack his password. There is an efficient technique called rubber-hose cryptanalysis. It consists hitting the soles of the subject’s feet with a rubber-hose until he reveals his password.
Snowden has been at the hands of the KGB for almost two years now.
Mistyped is all Meant FSB
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