Snowden is a Fraud

interpreter ^ | June 15, 2015 | John R. Schindler

[DHerion]

If he turned himself in publically he would not be assassinated...stop being silly.

[DesertRhino]

Then with no warrant did the NSA spy on US citizens domestically or not?
With no search warrant based upon probable cause, does the NSA collect the contents of our emails, internet searches, text messaging and metadata?

Its a simple question.

Before you say they don’t, you might check out their self styled “Domestic surveillance directorate”. They are hiring.

https://nsa.gov1.info/jobs/index.html

[Mr. K]

How is he a traitor?

Who did he betray? He released information to the American people about how their own government was spying on everyone.

He is a whistle-blower who should get A MEDAL for this

[Mr. K]

He moved to Russia because the US government was trying to screw him over - he should have been granted total protection under the whistle-blower laws, which are effectively worthless

I can’t think of one single actual whistle-blower who has been protected and not prosecuted- and I have a sneaking suspicion there is some fraud and waste in the federal government.

[RinaseaofDs]

You’re right. We should give him a medal, then shoot him after he’s pinned it on.

He’s a traitor. He’s playing the ‘American People Should Know’ card, but this is the same one they played with the Pentagon Papers thing.

If you use a big enough gun, you can just stack Bergdahl and Snowden up and save some money.

[pierrem15]

Well, he doesn't even have relevant knowledge of the documents he actually provided:

a) because he wasn't involved in SIGINT, he cannot corroborate anything in the docs alleging the Chancellor's phone was listened upon;

b) some of the documents appear to have been FSB fakes designed to cause as much trouble between the US and Germany as possible;

I've long suspected Snowden was a tool stupid enough to be taken in by the FSB masquerading as "ethical hackers."

[DesertRhino]

“If he turned himself in publically he would not be assassinated...stop being silly.”

Of course not, if he turned himself into the very criminals he caught, he would be locked away incommunicado in a cell at Quantico, until a secret tribunal under NDAA could sentence him to life in prison.

That’s a free society! I laugh at those who say he cannot be a hero unless he commits -virtual- suicide, by walking in to be arrested and thrown into solitary for life. I hope he is having a great afternoon.

[Mozilla]

Snowden stole 1.7 million classified documents from NSA servers through internal hacks. That would get you tailed and tracked. He must have felt it was worth the effort to live out his days in socialist Russia. Also that he planned the leaks for months and was able to leak it out slowly to reporters must have angered the NSA and so they want him prosecuted to the full extent. That Russia is housing him is a sore spot for the U.S.

I find it interesting that his story about the U.S. spying on other countries and especially Germany is not stacking up in a court of law as the evidence and proof is not there.

The U.S. Department of Justice charged him with two counts of violating the Espionage Act and theft of government property which is punishable by up to 30 years in prison. His passport was also revoked and so after he was able to live in a Moscow airport, he was granted asylum in Russia and lives in a undisclosed location with his girlfriend.

I don’t think the guy was bright enough to understand the consequences of what he was doing and what it meant for him and nationals ecurity. He seems to have figure he would just be a hero of some sort. But this article claims a lot of what he was saying was bunk and 900,000 of the documents he stole were not intelligence related. So the guy didn’t know what he was doing just wanted to expose the NSA any way he could.

[DesertRhino]

“, but this is the same one they played with the Pentagon Papers thing.”

Pentagon Papers didn’t expose domestic treason in direct defiance of the 4th amendment.

[DHerion]

I’m sure your buddy Putin is giving him all the Vodka and hookers he can handle when he’s not handing over secrets. You Snowden defenders are delusional. Stop wasting your time with him and go back to studying Building 7 and Area 51.

[pierrem15]

They have never needed a warrant for "metadata:" it's the digital equivalent of the old pen trace system that hasn't required a warrant for decades.

Any phone call you make abroad, or receive from abroad, any package or mail, etc., that crosses the border (including you laptop) is fair game-- the courts have held (again, for decades) that the government needs no warrant to listen in, record, copy or seize any such conversations or materials.

The only 4th Amendment issue arises when, on the basis of lawful intel gathering, the Feds want to listen in on or read your domestic phones calls or emails. They still need a warrant from the FISA courts in such cases.

A more interesting possibility is that the Feds are deliberately routing data traffic across the border so they can do what they want with no warrant.

[zeugma]

An article by an apologist for the surveillance state attacking Snowden. How novel.

[bigbob]

Pure spin, bs, and wishful thinking

[Mozilla]

Yeah that is him. John Schindler, a retired NSA spook, was a Naval War College professor who briefly went incognito after screenshots of (what appear to be) his penis leaked onto the Internet. While he has since reappeared to Twitter he has refused to comment on the mysterious emails, sent to the Naval War College by an unnamed blogger, that prompted the school to place him on leave, and under official investigation.

[DesertRhino]

Sorry, he isn’t my buddy and this isn’t about Putin. Im glad Snowden found a place that the criminals collecting all of our electronic communications cannot reach him?

Do you deny they collect our electronic communications? Do you deny they spy on us domestically? They have a directorate with THAT very concept in the title.
Or do you think that Stasi crap is legal and acceptable in America?

[DHerion]

You just wrote ‘you hope he’s having a great afternoon’...do you even read what you write?

The guy stole millions of documents without bothering to read 99.9% of them. Couldn’t he just steal the documents about the NSA spying, and then release them through something called, the Internet, instead of going to Russia.

Suppose some of those secrets he stole get people killed...would he still be your hero? I’m guessing, yes.

[DesertRhino]

Pen trace was used in specific cases. Now it is used on every single call every American makes. It is not the same as what was once a limited law enforcement tool.
Now it is Dept of Defense spying on the American people. (NSA is DOD)

This is a fine examination of how personal metadata can get by watching the British using it against Paul Revere and the Colonists.

http://kieranhealy.org/blog/archives/2013/06/09/using-metadata-to-find-paul-revere/

No matter how you slice it, it is a violation of the intent of the 4th amendment. They are capturing and storing the contents of every single electronic communication in America. (of course they only access it after consulting with a secret court for permission now)

Does this not bother you at all? Or are you one of those safety and security types?

[DesertRhino]

I hope he has a great afternoon. And releasing it in the internet would have had him instantly fingered, and then its into the cooler, for life.

Im saving my anger for the Americans who are LITERALLY putting Stasi data collection to shame, not for the man who exposed them at great personal cost.
Go lick a boot.

[Carthego delenda est]

“possibility is that the Feds are deliberately routing data traffic across the border so they can do what they want with no warrant.”

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[gdani]

They have never needed a warrant for "metadata:" it's the digital equivalent of the old pen trace system that hasn't required a warrant for decades.

Court decisions blessing the idea the Government does not need a warrant for information that we have "no expectation of privacy" regarding and/or utilizing the Third Party Doctrine were horrible pre-9/11 & are no better now.

Any phone call you make abroad, or receive from abroad, any package or mail, etc., that crosses the border (including you laptop) is fair game-- the courts have held (again, for decades) that the government needs no warrant to listen in, record, copy or seize any such conversations or materials.

The feds take photos to track all our domestic mail, too. The courts have said the same thing about our financial records, and the trash we put out, as well. Among other info captured pre & post 9/11 without warrants.

The only 4th Amendment issue arises when, on the basis of lawful intel gathering, the Feds want to listen in on or read your domestic phones calls or emails. They still need a warrant from the FISA courts in such cases.

And we all know the FISA Court to be such a guardian of liberty

. A more interesting possibility is that the Feds are deliberately routing data traffic across the border so they can do what they want with no warrant.

Well, we also know they hack & sabotage Americans' computers, hack private databases, capture our emails, texts & Internet search queries, monitor the communications of Congress & other lovely things.