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Posted on 06/09/2015 8:16:15 AM PDT by yoe
Justice Department’s national security chief cites six-month transition period in the USA Freedom Act as a reason to turn the bulk surveillance spigot back on.
The (Obama administration) has asked a secret surveillance court to ignore a federal court that found bulk surveillance illegal and to once again grant the National Security Agency the power to collect the phone records of millions of Americans for six months.
The legal request, filed nearly four hours after Barack Obama vowed to sign a new law banning precisely the bulk collection he asks the secret court to approve, also suggests that the administration may not necessarily comply with any potential court order demanding that the collection stop.
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Yet in testimony before all those congressional committees and panels, his government goons INSISTED all with this court and the program was all legal, above board and totally sensitive to individual citizens’ rights. My ass.
Not gonna comply with a bad ruling in King v. Burwell either
What?
Can some people involved please go to jail?
It’s difficult to understand why the NSA domestic spying matters to 0bama/ValJar so much.
Despots never give up on iota of power...they only want more.
Not gonna comply with a bad ruling in King v. Burwell either
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Assuming you mean a ‘bad ruling’ from Obummer’s standpoint, I think he will be ‘happy’ to comply. He’s counting on using all those poor, poor people who can no longer afford Obamacare due to no subsidies to put enough pressure on the spineless Repubs that they will knuckle under yet again and pass something in Congress to “temporarily” allow the subsidies or worse. Supposedly, the Repubs are going to hold temporary subsidies out like a carrot to get other parts of the law repealed. We all know how well that will work - Obummer will double down, Congress will legalize what is illegal with nothing in exchange, and Obummer wins again while the American people lose big time.
Not gonna comply with a bad ruling in King v. Burwell either
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Assuming you mean a ‘bad ruling’ from Obummer’s standpoint, I think he will be ‘happy’ to comply. He’s counting on using all those poor, poor people who can no longer afford Obamacare due to no subsidies to put enough pressure on the spineless Repubs that they will knuckle under yet again and pass something in Congress to “temporarily” allow the subsidies or worse. Supposedly, the Repubs are going to hold temporary subsidies out like a carrot to get other parts of the law repealed. We all know how well that will work - Obummer will double down, Congress will legalize what is illegal with nothing in exchange, and Obummer wins again while the American people lose big time.
How in the world did we end up with secret courts? More importantly why are they still here?
Democrats NEED access to all of those cellphone conversations, so they can know what the Republican 2016 candidate will be doing, before they do it.
ALL HAIL THE GREAT EMPEROR OBAMA! (or else...)
‘the administration may not necessarily comply with any potential court order demanding that the collection stop’
Why would they bother stopping the collection? NO ONE HAS MADE THEM FOLLOW ANY LAWS YET!
We live in lawless times. There are many criminals and traitors amongst us. Justice must find them.
Born of a Communist Father, Socialist Mother, and schooled by Frank Marshall Davis before he was 15 and beyond...never knew or loved this nation.
No, it’s not. Look who they consider the enemy to be. Or did you forget the sarcasm tag?
The same way we are ending up with secret legislation.
We allowed it to happen.
With that one he is gonna have a problem. Congress has to appropriate the funds to reimburse the states in the exchange.
His slush fund isn’t big enough to cover that. He’d have to tell the Mooch and the Freeloading Aunt Ester to cancel their globe trotting.
A “secret” court? That means somebody is doing some leaking. Good for them (and us).
Before the secret court was involved, the secret surveillance was going on. Governments have to snoop and lie about it, it's in their (paranoid) nature.
It's a trend. We have secret legislation, too. Legislative secrecy is conducted in at least two ways:
1) Make the bill so large no one can possibly read and understand it; this was the approach taken with the ACA and the Consumer Protection Act. Huge, complex bills turn every Rep and Senator into LIL (low information legislators).
2)Then there's the overt secret legislation ploy taken with TPP. The text can't be taken out of a secured location; only those with a certain level of clearance can read it; they can't photograph or otherwise bring out the text; and they have limited access time. I've heard rumors that the TPP has 29 sections, and of these only 5 deal with trade. That's bad, what's worse is that these are rumors... we really don't know much at all, and Boehner is leading the charge in the House to pass this thing.
EXACTLY !!
The Fourth Amendment prohibits unreasonable search and seizure of documents or communications unless a warrant is issued under "probable cause".
There is no 'probable cause" in mass data collection ; it is just another enmass surveillance collection program leading to a 'police state'.
Ask the Germans how that worked out for them in the 30's and 40's...
Ask the Russians how that worked out for them in the 50's thru 70's...
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