The procreation argument against homosexuality has always been pretty lame. The Bible point-blank says that it’s an abominable sin. Period. You can’t get around that, though Mr. Vines does try by obfuscating with “but what if they really love each other?” Who cares? What if I really love any number of other abominable sins against God? Now it’s OK? These are some milquetoast pastors in this article.
“The procreation argument against homosexuality has always been pretty lame. The Bible point-blank says that it’s an abominable sin. Period. You can’t get around that, though Mr. Vines does try by obfuscating with “but what if they really love each other?” Who cares? What if I really love any number of other abominable sins against God? Now it’s OK?”
This society has made Happiness a god which must be obeyed to the exclusion of all else, even the true God’s express will.
(Nevermind that sin never leads to enduring happiness.)
Paul uses the “procreation” argument.. But of course, homosexuality is only one on the list of abuses of sex that he provides. We Christians give too much of a pass to the adulterers et al. and beat up too much on the queers. That because hardly any of us do not have family members who commit adultery. Further divorce is as frequent among church members as among non-Christians.
I don't see what that has to do with it. I love my brother and sister. I love my good friends. I love my parents. That doesn't mean it would be right to have sex with them. There are thousands that any person may love and sex doesn't even enter into the equation. The Greek language has three words for love Agape, Phileo and Eros. Eros is the word for the type of physical, romantic love Mr. Vines is referring to. The word Eros does not appear in the NT.
Not the procreation argument per se...but the argument that nature presumes normal male female relationships based on the fact that in the natural scheme of things(not forced in labs via petri dishes) it will always take a female ovum and a male sperm to create a child. Any homosexual relationship must be presumed disordered of nature based on the 98 per cent of all humans not homosexual and the 2 per cent who are.
Homosexuals seek some type of justification of their lifestyle by the invalidation of Christianity. They may tout science in the attempts to do so but science in the end doesn’t help them. The disastrous medical effects of such lifestyles are well known and documented. In the end, despite the good PR, good science will “out” the real evils of the homosexual lifestyle! They are the real “science deniers”!
The problem is the destruction of Language and Words. (He who can control Words can control the perceptions of the masses (feelings)).
Love can never be “lusting after an anal cavity” and the term “homosexual marriage” is an oxymoron. It is dumb and stupid (removes REASON and NATURAL LAW which is the purpose—the Leftists want the children so irrational they believe “snow is black” (Fichte 1810).
Getting arousals when you are of the same sex—when you see the same sex is puerile, fixated in latency and irrational emotions-—devoid of Reason and Natural Law and MATURITY which can appreciate the “Other”—true diversity.
There is no “love” in lusting after anyone. To couch this debate in “Love” is the problem. It is the perverted narcissistic desire to dominate (Libido Dominadi—which is to use others in dehumanizing ways for selfish gains) and it has NOTHING to do with “Love”.
Sodomites are mentally incapable of true love, which is selfless, unless they refuse to consummate their vile, dehumanizing acts and repent and change their “desires” toward the Good.
Sodomy is using human beings as a Means to an End-—it is really hate and dehumanization and removing dignity and purpose from the human body, reducing man to pure meaningless animal. It is demonic and dehumanization (and pure Marxist Theory—to destroy all biological connections and make babies commodities to be bought and sold and killed at will and destroy in the children Reality and Natural Law so the mind of the Founders is impossible—no individualism or Real Life experiences, if no Natural Family).
It is all for the proper perceptions of the children-—to destroy Reason and logic and create just hyper-sexualized children—immersed in using others as objects-—so that the banality of evil-—is just like it was for Eichman. What they hey, if millions are killed, herded and culled????? Dehumanization is the result of killing Virtue formation in children.
Socrates stated, the only purpose of education is to teach Virtue. Schools since Dewey, destroy Virtue intentionally in children and habituate evil desires and a worldview where they see human beings as godless objects to be used and tossed (hyper sexualization).
It is why Jesus was banned in the public square and schools so they could normalized paganism, Satanism and Marxism in our children. Without the Transmission of culture-—the Marxists can make Up, Down, Vice, Virtue, and Boys, into Girls. VOILA!!!!
When I think of the word “sin” I think of “because of the consequences”.
Having sex before marriage has the consequences of spreading disease and having children out of wedlock -> therefore a sin.
Committing adultery destroys families and can, again, spread disease and result in children out of wedlock -> therefore a sin.
If we all never had sex prior to marriage, then get married and never commit adultery we would eliminate STD’s. It’s a crazy concept that few seem to consider but it is true none the less.
So let me ask this; what is the average number of partners gay men have? Is there such a thing as a virgin homosexual that then marries (in states that allow it)? ...those are rhetorical...the average is way more than hetero’s and I doubt any of those that have married have only ever had sex with the person they “married” (I mean, it’s probably not possible). When less than 1% of the population is having promiscuous anal sex with the same people, there can only one result - the spread of disease at an exponential rate. A rate that you would never approach in the heterosexual population. It is just math and the mechanics of what they’re doing....shown by the stats from CDC.
Sorry, the entire gay agenda has nothing to do with being inline with God’s word. It is the classic failure of people to want Christianity to be what they think it *should* be, not what it is. They’re contorting themselves to justify their behavior and calling it “love”. This is just a mockery of Judeo-Christian ethics. Traditional marriage has been a survival institution, not necessarily because two people have romantic feelings for each other but because the society MUST have children and not spread disease. It is our technology and science that has diluted the consequences but they’re still severe. Same sex attraction is not love and just because I can love my fellow man doesn’t mean I have a basis of marriage if I stick my you-know-what in you-know-where.
Is there even a hetero equivalent to Grindr? I mean, doesn’t that speak volumes?
The procreative argument is inherent within God's argument. It is "Natural Law," which God wrote into our bodies. It's not just how He structured His "verbal" law, it's how he structured ALL law: the law of our natures, the law of the Universe.
This is why God struck Onan dead, because he sabotaged the fertility of his heterosexual union with Tamar --- the only act of contraception recorded in the Bible. Just as He destroyed Sodom for, well, sodomy.