Ivy Ziedrich, College Student, Warms to Role as Jeb Bush Critic on ISIS

NY Times ^ | 5/14/15 | Michael Barbaro

[Lumper20]

ISIS is solely a creation of Obama.

[eggman]

Makes little difference when ISIS got started. Obama has cultivated them to a level of power they couldn’t have achieved without his incompetence.

[KC_Conspirator]

Your premise is right on; need to nip this in the bud. Otherwise, for example, you get lies like “hands up, don’t shoot” being repeated.

[jwalsh07]

She’s a dolt. As is the author of this tripe and Jose Bush as well. Sometimes there is nobody to root for but she is so thoroughly misinformed it is rather comical.

[DoughtyOne]

JimBo123, take a deep breath.

The laugh is on them.

We’re not going to support this guy. Relax.

The Left thinks it’s scoring here.

I’ll bet there isn’t one person on this forum who would vote for Jeb.

If there is, they’re bigger fools than the Democrat milking this for all it’s worth.

[hinckley buzzard]

Jeb screwed the pooch already. He said recently that he wouldn't be a shill for W, that "he was his own man." Turns out not to be so. He has bungled an issue any freeper could have anticipated. The Stupid Party endures.

[hinckley buzzard]

Of course she is wrong, but the damage has been done. It was an easy fly ball and Jeb muffed it.

[Attention Surplus Disorder]

To add to your list:

The idea that Iraqis (or any Muslims, for that matter) would in essence abandon their religion and place “democracy” (whatever that term means to anyone) in the form of a secular government above their supreme religious figure was naive from 4 separate standpoints:

1: The hardest thing to make people change is their religion. But this isn’t just “changing” a peoples religion; it was a proposal to have them renounce their religion, since to them, Mohammed is supreme.

2: There is utterly zero history of “democracy” in the Mideast with the possible exception of Lebanon and Israel (not what is being talked about) and the founders knew perfectly well that a foundational element for the establishment and sustainability of any such system is the so-called “civil society”. Without some inherent desire to establish and maintain a civil society, there is no hope for anything other than pure “rule of the jungle” or pure religionism in a society. There has never been any history of such a “civil society” in the Mideast. There are apparently functioning societies in the Mideast but without exception, they all function ONLY under the iron fist of a ruthless government. In other words: tyrranies.

3: That even if such an effort could be made to work in Iraq, it would never have been acceptable to any of half a dozen neighboring countries and thus secondary wars could be expected to erupt. Leading to an indefinite and unpredictably sized military commitment, perhaps on multiple fronts, if we wanted to preserve what we were proposing to “win”.

4: Ignoring all of the above, apparently without asking any creditable Islamic scholar or historian (never mind us mere civilians) who could have and would have immediately predicted these outcomes, was foolishly and willfully arrogant.

[Steve_Seattle]

The girl suggested that ISIS was formed out of remnants of the Iraqi army, and I think that’s absolutely false.

[Kozy]

Let's be honest, a 19 half brain proved not match for Jeb. This will be remembered as his ah how moment. She scorched him. If he can beat back the dim bulb, he has no right to be President. He should have put her in her place and hit the ball out of the park. Instead he swung and hit, the mighty Jeb has struck out.

I will not vote for Jeb. I will write in my own name. At least I am a Republician.

[Lumper20]

It damn sure should have been nipped in the bud fast by idiot Jeb.

[KC_Conspirator]

The girl suggested that ISIS was formed out of remnants of the Iraqi army, and I think that’s absolutely false.

Patently false.