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Rev. Cruz: If Gay Marriage is ‘Civil Right,’ Gov’t Will Force Pastors to Obey Law or Face Prison
CNSNews.com ^ | 2015-04-09 | Michael W. Chapman

Posted on 04/09/2015 1:18:46 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum

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To: Happy Rain
I suggest we all troll the Left Wing websites and refer to the Far Left Wingnuts as CHBs aka Christian Hating Bigots.

Even the atheist, or the young radical liberal activists in the colleges, know who and what the Antichrist is. They know what 666 means. They may know absolutely noting about the Bible, but they know this.

I suggest we call them anti Christ liberals. They're obviously anti Christ, or anti Christian, but the name alone brings up images in the mind of the Antichrist and his future horrible rule over all man kind, and that's not a very good name to have attached to their movement.


Anti Christ (two words) liberals. Not Antichrist (one word), because that will be laughed at, but Anti Christ is right on target. It's obvious. It describes their movement perfectly.

41 posted on 04/09/2015 1:55:58 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The government will use it’s power to revoke tax exempt status for any entity that denies sodomites their civil rights, and it will most likely be done by executive order.

Mark it down, I called it first.


42 posted on 04/09/2015 1:56:18 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: SeekAndFind; Conscience of a Conservative
(snip) Saul Alinsky did not propose change in one big bang. He proposed to do it slowly but surely and do it subtly, one institution at a time, starting with the weaker one. (snip)

What I see happening is some innocuous language being sneaked into a congressional bill. Something along the lines of "hate groups shall not be provided any appropriated funds and shall not be afforded tax exempt status." (leaving the meaning of "hate group" as an open question)

Naturally, no Congressweenie in his right mind would oppose such a thing (after all, would they defend supporting giving tax exempt status to the KKK or the like?)

After that verbiage passes in the law, the Executive defines a Hate Group as one designated by the SPLC or the HRC (along with a couple of others, such as Amnesty, and so on).

(I can see a considerable amount more but, thankfully, Ø only has 1-1/2 years left...the continuation of that depends upon who is selected to be the public face for his third term in office...)

43 posted on 04/09/2015 1:57:38 PM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: sickoflibs

This is Ted’s dad.


44 posted on 04/09/2015 2:00:02 PM PDT by ConjunctionJunction
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To: BigEdLB
If they start sending clergy to prison for refusing to perform gay marriages, there will be trouble.

doubt it. nobody's hit the streets over being made to bake a cake.

when this happens it will be subtle at first. they will go after westboro Baptist as not many are going to stand up and defend them.

then the move will be on another church or a few painted as extremist.

depending on the push back, and I doubt there will be much, they will continue to pick off churches one by one.

other options would be to remove the tax exempt status of the church and stop pastors from exempting salary from ssi.

denominations that already endorse homosexual/lesbian activity will be held up as models.

eventually you will get down to a handful of churches that will stick to the Word. then a massive sweep of arrests will occur as public opinion will be so opposed to these "bigoted" churches few will come to their aid.

45 posted on 04/09/2015 2:00:20 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: MrB
Criminalizing Christianity obviously is the 'end game' here.

Althoug it has happened dozens of times elsewhere over the past 2000 years, people think it can't happen here. They are wrong.

46 posted on 04/09/2015 2:02:35 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: BigEdLB
If they start sending clergy to prison for refusing to perform gay marriages, there will be trouble.

I'm down with the trouble part, now here is the question; who do you target?

47 posted on 04/09/2015 2:05:09 PM PDT by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

This issue is NOT about civil rights. They have already had their caricature of marriage “lawfully” granted civil right status. This is about homosexuals wanting, demanding and expecting public approval of their perversion.


48 posted on 04/09/2015 2:09:57 PM PDT by Aarchaeus (V)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Gay Marriage was not a civil right 20 years ago, 2000 years ago or 2000 years from now.

However, I think a church can still refuse to conduct an interracial marriage.


49 posted on 04/09/2015 2:10:24 PM PDT by Oliviaforever
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Cardinals Wuerl, Dolan, O’Malley, and DiNardo, and Archbishops Chaput, Cupich, Gomez, and McElroy—and all but about a dozen American bishops, have already caved. They insist that pro-abortion “Catholics” must be given Communion. There is NO REASON for them to resist a command from the government to marry two men or two women. They have already demonstrated that government officials have the authority to dictate who receives the sacraments.


50 posted on 04/09/2015 2:17:47 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Amendment10
As i read your writing and explaining I have a couple (well, maybe more but I'll leave it at a couple) of questions, to-wit: why then are courts slamming private citizens (not mega-corporations but mom and pop shops) with fines for refusing to bake "gay wedding cakes," take gay wedding photos or provide catering services for gay wedding receptions; and why are the almost born persons, deprived of life, if the 14th amendment provide for any such protections?

Thanks in advance for your answers.

51 posted on 04/09/2015 2:18:03 PM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Yeah, but in Canada the top of their heads are on a hinge.


52 posted on 04/09/2015 2:20:36 PM PDT by Happy Rain (TEA Party 2016 is gonna make TEA Party 2014 look like a Democrat landslide.)
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To: ealgeone
they will go after westboro Baptist as not many are going to stand up and defend them

"westboro Baptist" works for them.

53 posted on 04/09/2015 2:20:51 PM PDT by Campion
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To: DiogenesLamp

Because, legally-speaking, there is a huge difference between a private business and a religious entity. Courts (some) may be willing to force private, for-profit businesses to engage in conduct that goes against the business owner’s religious beliefs, but no court is going to force actual clergy to do so.


54 posted on 04/09/2015 2:22:33 PM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Conscience of a Conservative
Because, legally-speaking, there is a huge difference between a private business and a religious entity. Courts (some) may be willing to force private, for-profit businesses to engage in conduct that goes against the business owner’s religious beliefs, but no court is going to force actual clergy to do so.

I think you are saying you would be "shocked" if they did so. I will be shocked if they do not. That is the direction this train is heading.

55 posted on 04/09/2015 2:28:52 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: concerned about politics

Unfortunately accuracy is not the point of successful propaganda...fashion is.
And the hate speech of the Far Left may be evil and wrong it is still fashionably “catchy” and thus “sells.”
CHBs is both accurate AND “catchy” AND “fashionable.”
Fighting fire with fire has it’s origins in perdition where the fires there are quite efficacious sad to say.


56 posted on 04/09/2015 2:30:13 PM PDT by Happy Rain (TEA Party 2016 is gonna make TEA Party 2014 look like a Democrat landslide.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“Twenty years ago did you think that same sex marriage would one day be a “civil right?”

No, and neither did the framers of the 14th Amendment.


57 posted on 04/09/2015 2:31:38 PM PDT by conservativejoy (We Can Elect Ted Cruz! Pray Hard, Work Hard, Trust God!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The tyrants have defined traditional marriage supporters as Nazis or KKK. That justifies pretty much any action or actions against them.

They will not stop until gay ceremonies are performed in every house of worship and every church accepts homosexuality as normal sexuality.

Its like Germany in the 1930’s when the government created the Reichs Church that redefined Christianity to make Hitler the new revelation of Christ and put Mein Kampf at the altar to replace the Bible.


58 posted on 04/09/2015 2:33:50 PM PDT by Nextrush (OBAMACARE IS A BAILOUT FOR THE HEALTHCARE INDUSTRY)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

if marriage is a sacrament the state has no business dictating who receives it

what next, they gonna sue churches for not offering the eucharist to anyone who demands it?


59 posted on 04/09/2015 2:45:14 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: Conscience of a Conservative
Because, legally-speaking, there is a huge difference between a private business and a religious entity. Courts (some) may be willing to force private, for-profit businesses to engage in conduct that goes against the business owner’s religious beliefs, but no court is going to force actual clergy to do so.

In my previous message to you I mentioned that I thought this was going to be inevitable. It didn't take long for evidence of this to show up.

60 posted on 04/09/2015 2:45:19 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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