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San Francisco Saint Mary’s Cathedral Drenches Homeless With Water To Keep Them Away
CBS Local ^ | 03/18/2015 | Doug Sovern

Posted on 03/18/2015 3:02:44 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd

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To: Responsibility2nd

This story is probably payback for the local bishop’s recent decision to enforce Catholic moral doctrine in Catholic institutions. The press doesn’t like it, and they’re fighting back.


61 posted on 03/18/2015 3:56:42 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: miserare

Away from discussing a church?


62 posted on 03/18/2015 3:59:01 PM PDT by ansel12 (Palin--Mr President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.)
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To: ansel12

I think you are an ex-Catholic. Am I right?

Hell hath no fury like a fallen away Catholic.


63 posted on 03/18/2015 4:00:07 PM PDT by miserare ("Reverence for life--life of all kinds--is the first principle of civilization." ~~Schweitzer)
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To: ExTxMarine

None of that has anything to do with this story, and there was no warning sign.

See post 55.


64 posted on 03/18/2015 4:00:58 PM PDT by ansel12 (Palin--Mr President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.)
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To: miserare
I think you are an ex-Catholic. Am I right? Hell hath no fury like a fallen away Catholic.

What is with the personal attacks, I'm not an exCatholic.

Look at your posts on this thread and what you are defending, and you want to admonish people for being bad Christians because they find fault with the illegal construction of the system and the lack of any warnings before drenching homeless people, from the Priest involved?

65 posted on 03/18/2015 4:06:27 PM PDT by ansel12 (Palin--Mr President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.)
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To: Responsibility2nd; NYer; zot; Alex Murphy

and declare them baptized and they probably won’t show up again, except for Christmas and Easter


66 posted on 03/18/2015 4:06:45 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: ansel12

Sure, call it being in the US Army on multiple maneuvers and where, having a wet sleeping bag was better than sleeping in the rain, soaked, under a rubber poncho.


67 posted on 03/18/2015 4:09:24 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: ExTxMarine
I'm not really impressed with the "illegal plumbing job" angle that ansell2 keeps banging on. That sort of thing happens all the time, and it's not a sign of moral depravity. Just last year, an adult care home on my street tried to build a ground-level wooden deck in the front yard, where the tenants could sit and drink tea on nice days.

The project was almost done when a city inspector declared that the project didn't have the proper permit, and the whole thing was torn down after weeks of work. (It was NOT an eyesore by the way, nor did it appear to intrude on any right-of-way or property lines.) So sometimes the demand for proper permits for minor projects can just be an exercise in municipal bullying.
68 posted on 03/18/2015 4:13:04 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Farmer Dean

When you realize these people use the walls of the establishments they camp near for urinals and worse, the picture becomes a little more clear.

This church probably has some type of program helping the less fortunate in the area. Most all churches do.


69 posted on 03/18/2015 4:16:39 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (The question is Jeb Bush. The answer is NO!)
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To: GreyFriar

When I was stationed at Ft. Lewis, we would stay wet the entire time in the field, and those old Korean war bags would never dry in that constant moisture, extremely miserable.


70 posted on 03/18/2015 4:17:25 PM PDT by ansel12 (Palin--Mr President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.)
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To: ansel12
You are also making personal attacks against the church personnel, who - if you read the story - DID make many previous efforts to get the people from sleeping on the porch, efforts which were repeatedly ignored. And you are ignoring the fact that that very church as well as the diocese do many things for homeless and otherwise troubled people.

It's as if someone spent sixteen hours a day helping the disadvantaged, and you - who have probably done LESS to help the disadvantaged - come along when they are getting some rest and accuse them of doing nothing.
71 posted on 03/18/2015 4:17:51 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: ansel12

It has EVERYTHING to do with this story. The homeless have been asked, told, and warned to avoid creating problems in the entry ways. There are places ON THESE GROUNDS which the church has asked the homeless to use.

The fact is that you don’t like the way they were warned and you are all upset about them not getting a city permit, etc...

What you are complaining about doesn’t fix the problem of the derelict homeless crapping on the steps and leaving dangerous trash.

You seem to not care about the health and well being of those who have to go to work there each day - that doesn’t sound very Christian-like, either.


72 posted on 03/18/2015 4:18:23 PM PDT by ExTxMarine (Public sector unions: A & B agreeing on a contract to screw C!)
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To: Steve_Seattle
No, the church knew what they were doing when they concealed the work.

It is over.

After inspecting the cathedral, the San Francisco Department of Building Inspection filed a notice of violation against the archdiocese and the cathedral, giving them 15 days to remove the system. In response, the archdiocese has taken out a plumbing permit to remove the entire watering system, which releases hundreds of gallons of water every night.

73 posted on 03/18/2015 4:19:33 PM PDT by ansel12 (Palin--Mr President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.)
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To: ExTxMarine

There was no warning sign, and the church will have to find some other way to protect that entrance way.

See post 73.


74 posted on 03/18/2015 4:23:28 PM PDT by ansel12 (Palin--Mr President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.)
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To: ansel12

The plumbing is another story..and they won’t be the first to screw up that in buildings.

As for warnings to the squatters...they had plenty and then some...more importantly willing hands to help them have a roof over their head otherwise ...they refused.

You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink....and if he reuses consequences will follow.

These are not..the poor...Jesus alludes to...these are chemically addicted people who refuse offers to help. They want their lifestyles as they are.


75 posted on 03/18/2015 4:24:33 PM PDT by caww
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To: ansel12

My little sister, an MI captain, said that she would never complain again about it “always raining” in Germany, 3rd Armored Division in the Frankfurt to Fulda area, again after her first year with I Corps at Ft. Lewis.


76 posted on 03/18/2015 4:28:01 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Steve_Seattle

How can someone be making personal attacks against invisible, unknown people in the news, who aren’t on this thread, or members here?

I’m not ignoring anything about anything, I’m merely trying to stay on this little story about the illegal and unmarked plumbing system installed to hose down the homeless by this church.

It is like coming upon someone hosing down some sleeping homeless person on a winter night and sending him into the night wet cold and with no dry clothes or bedding, and deliberately having not put up a warning sign that you were going to do it, and when called on it, pointing out that at other times you are helping other homeless people. So what, it doesn’t cover for taking this action.


77 posted on 03/18/2015 4:30:51 PM PDT by ansel12 (Palin--Mr President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.)
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To: GreyFriar

When you live outdoors, the wet at Ft. Lewis becomes kind of mind blowing, and the misery is the norm.

Your sister probably lives in a big tent though, and the Army doesn’t still use the old totally useless “shelter half” do they?


78 posted on 03/18/2015 4:34:01 PM PDT by ansel12 (Palin--Mr President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Add up donations to ‘the homeless’ in San Francisco and it’ll come to MORE than enough to buy homeless person a home.

One more reason to ban all so called ‘non-profits’...


79 posted on 03/18/2015 4:36:06 PM PDT by GOPJ (Gore: Punish those who buck 'accepted science' as was done to Galileo Galilei -freeper Darksheare)
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To: caww

The Catholic Church is blazing a path with its auto-flushing alcoves!


80 posted on 03/18/2015 4:36:28 PM PDT by Delta 21 (Patiently waiting for the jack booted kick at my door.)
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