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US supercarrier ‘sunk’ by French submarine in wargames
news.com.au ^ | MARCH 06, 2015

Posted on 03/05/2015 5:57:38 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki

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To: Daus

Global warming.


21 posted on 03/05/2015 6:28:54 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Psalm 73
I see the US didn’t have a fast-attack sub on station for this excercize - French sub would have gone down without even a whimper.

The TR Battle Group had a sub.

22 posted on 03/05/2015 6:29:16 PM PST by Drew68
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Blah blah blah blah. Same story every few years with a different nationality attached to it. Must be appropriations time.


23 posted on 03/05/2015 6:34:27 PM PST by denydenydeny ("World History is not full of good governments, or of good voters either "--P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The Sub zeroed in on an unusual Sound coming from our Aircraft Carrier, James Taylor singing “You’ve got a Friend”.


24 posted on 03/05/2015 6:37:42 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Tagline under review by the United States Supreme Court.)
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To: denydenydeny

THAT does it - somebody needs to dumb down that sub!
Hillary ought run on THAT. It’s just not fair!


25 posted on 03/05/2015 6:39:27 PM PST by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
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To: denydenydeny

“Somehow, the French submarine must have been able to slip between the defensive sensor patchwork of patrol aircraft, helicopters, warships and submarines to line up a shot on the $13 billion monstrosity. “

I am calling BS. No one would call this a monstrosity unless there was a political motive here.


26 posted on 03/05/2015 6:39:45 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Islam is the military wing of the Communist party.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

We have been in a “it can’t happen to us” peacetime mindset since the cold war ended. Meanwhile, Red China has become a credible military threat and little guys such as Iran & N. Korea have got the a-bomb and rockets that can reach our shores in a few years. Russia isn’t likely to attack us, but is selling arms & tech to our likely rivals just to make trouble.

Our Navy carriers face a loss of one or two in the first days of a war now, plus our boomer & attack subs are losing the ability to hide at sea due to new tech.

We still need a land based ICBM force as a last step deterrent should all else fail, but we haven’t upgraded it in years. Our heartland is facing incoming rockets should a real war start—where is our iron dome?

Peace is best held with a potent war fighting ability, do we still have it?


27 posted on 03/05/2015 6:41:11 PM PST by RicocheT (us)
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To: Drew68

So how does this attack sub get from France to the Fla coast? It transited at 25 knots underwater for about a week. During that week it screamed along broad casting its position. Now in this exercise the sub started out a few miles away creeping along at slow undetectable speed. Not realistic.


28 posted on 03/05/2015 6:42:24 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Daus

Since it moved north of the equator a few years back.


29 posted on 03/05/2015 6:50:10 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: central_va
So how does this attack sub get from France to the Fla coast? It transited at 25 knots underwater for about a week. During that week it screamed along broad casting its position. Now in this exercise the sub started out a few miles away creeping along at slow undetectable speed. Not realistic.

The training exercise (I'm assuming it was last month's COMTUEX) took place off the coast of Florida. It wasn't a simulated trans-Atlantic attack. The French sub was part of the exercise and already on station.

30 posted on 03/05/2015 6:51:35 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Drew68
It wasn't a simulated trans-Atlantic attack. The French sub was part of the exercise and already on station.

Exactly. A CVBG doesn't go into an area with known bad guys subs in a real war scenario. The hostile Sub would be tracked and probably sunk in transit long before it became a threat to the CVBG. A CVBG only goes into sanitized waters. If you cannot tell the CVBG where the bad guys are then they don't go into a high probability area unless the mission is really worth the risk.

31 posted on 03/05/2015 6:55:55 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
A CVBG doesn't go into an area with known bad guys subs in a real war scenario. The hostile Sub would be tracked and probably sunk in transit long before it became a threat to the CVBG. A CVBG only goes into sanitized waters.

"Sanitized" waters aren't always sanitized. Of this, I can assure you.

32 posted on 03/05/2015 7:04:12 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Drew68

Like I said unless the mission is worth the risk the CVBG doesn’t go. It is all risk assessment. If there was a hostile sub with no known position except somewhere in the Sargasso Sea, that is unacceptable. I cannot give you details because it is classified but the CVBG has a lot of people helping it locate subs that are not necessary part of the CVBG.


33 posted on 03/05/2015 7:09:59 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Revel

When O is done, the Peruvian Navy could bring us down.


34 posted on 03/05/2015 7:15:20 PM PST by Sasparilla (If you want peace, prepare for war.)
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To: 2CAVTrooper

Don’t rule out the Albanian State Washing Machine Company either.


35 posted on 03/05/2015 7:16:47 PM PST by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.)
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To: stevie_d_64

Your attention to this thread, please.


36 posted on 03/05/2015 7:24:18 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: gaijin

Not without satellite imagery and computational algorithms to analyze subtle surface disturbance patterns.


37 posted on 03/05/2015 7:25:53 PM PST by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc OÂ’Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Things don’t always turn out in war, or war games, the way they stack up on paper. Its just that simple.

If we had a big war, we would lose carriers. That’s why we have more than one.


38 posted on 03/05/2015 7:28:35 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: central_va

Guess what - the French have a naval base in the Caribbean. Fort Saint Louis, Martinique.


39 posted on 03/05/2015 7:31:40 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Han Solo: Good against remotes is one thing. Good against the living, that's something else.

40 posted on 03/05/2015 7:33:40 PM PST by xp38
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