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ATF Trying to Ban AR-15 Ammo Under Guise of "Law Enforcement Safety"
Townhall.com ^ | Feb 16, 2015 | Katie Pavlich

Posted on 02/17/2015 6:41:27 AM PST by KeyLargo

ATF Trying to Ban AR-15 Ammo Under Guise of "Law Enforcement Safety" Katie Pavlich | Feb 16, 2015

In its never ending goal to ban modern sporting rifles, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms has proposed new regulations banning common AR-15 ammunition, arguing it's necessary to protect the safety of law enforcement officers. The NRA sounded the alarm late last week:

You can read the bureaucratic language justifying the proposal here.

The new proposal will allow Attorney General Eric Holder to determine if the ammunition in question qualifies under the broad definition of "sporting purposes." Current law gives ATF unfettered justification or power to decide what is and what is not “sporting” and therefore regulated or banned.

A few questions come to mind as this new proposal gets more attention. 1) Why now? 2) Is "armor piercing" .223 ammunition really being used at epidemic rates against our law enforcement officers? The answer is no.

Over the years, pro-gun control, big city police chiefs have argued that "assault weapons" are the main firearm being faced by law enforcement officers everyday. That just isn't true. In fact, when Baltimore County Police Chief James Johnson testified in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee back in 2013, he grossly misled the country when he said his officers were regularly facing this type of firepower in the streets. As I reported at the time:

After the hearing Johnson told reporters, "Police officers face these weapons either in seizure cases or crimes of violence everyday. Dozens of police officers have lost their lives due to an assault weapon and a criminal adversary."

According to a Baltimore County Police Department report obtained and requested by Townhall, Johnson misled the public with his statement about assault weapons seizures.

(Excerpt) Read more at townhall.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 556; ammo; ammunition; ar15; assaultweapons; atf; banglist; biden; blackrifles; bloomberg; firearms; fmj; guncontrol; guns; holder; obama; secondamendment; tyranny
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1 posted on 02/17/2015 6:41:27 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo

Here’s a thought...if you want a safe job, DON’T become a police officer.


2 posted on 02/17/2015 6:44:06 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: KeyLargo

This is not about our police. It’s about a national tragedy that is being implemented by the Won’s administration. We have armed and armored federal agencies galore, and I don’t doubt at all that muslim jihadis will be similarly armed and armored “for their protection” as the public is being groomed to accept them as victims.

The “potential domestic terrorists” cannot be equipped to deal with these peace keepers.


3 posted on 02/17/2015 6:49:50 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Ready for Teddy. Cruz, that is. Texas conservative.)
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To: KeyLargo
That's not the round in questions.

M855 as green tips.

4 posted on 02/17/2015 6:54:48 AM PST by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: Puppage

I think its only about 3% of cop shootings that are AR related anyway. The ammo is not armor piercing in the first place and in the second place I would be a lot more worried about getting shot with a 30-06 rifle because that round will go through your vest, you and the guy behind you.


5 posted on 02/17/2015 6:56:40 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Blue Collar Christian

ILLINOIS

ISRA Alert - Contact ATF: Oppose 5.56 M855 Ball Ammunition Ban
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) has announced it is seeking to ban commonplace 5.56 M855 ball ammunition as “armor piercing ammunition.” ATF is seeking public comment on the proposal, so all industry employees, target shooters and gun owners should contact ATF to oppose this unnecessary ban, which is truly a solution in search of a problem and that raises serious questions about executive agency attitude and overreach. Stopped cold on Capitol Hill, this action appears to be the Obama administration’s attempt to pursue gun control by other means.

Commonly available steel-core, “green tip” M855 and SS109 rifle ammunition that is primarily intended and regularly used for “sporting purposes,” like target shooting, has been exempt from federal law banning armor piercing ammunition for decades. There is no question that the 5.56 ball ammo has been in wide use by law abiding American citizens for sporting purposes.

It is with the increasing prevalence of handgun versions of rifle platforms, that ATF now apparently sees an opening to now ban the widely used M855 and SS109 ammunition.

It would be legally permissible to continue to possess and use so-defined “armor piercing” ammunition currently possessed. However, rescinding the decades-old exemption will have a major impact. It will become illegal to manufacture, import, distribute or sell at retail this very popular rifle target ammunition.

ATF’s proposed “framework” for applying the “sporting purpose” exemption test rewrites the law passed by Congress to disregard the manufacturer’s intention that a projectile or cartridge is “primarily intended for a supporting purpose.” ATF inappropriately places the focus on how criminals might misuse sporting ammunition in a handgun.

Just as disturbing, language used by ATF in its long white paper refers to criminals as a “consumer group.” The implication that the industry purposely sells firearms and ammunition to criminals is misleading and echoes the shopworn charges of the gun control lobby.

Manufacturers will face serious limitations in their ability to develop and market alternative ammunition in other popular hunting rounds, such as .308 rifle hunting ammunition, if ATF’s so-called “framework” is adopted. This will have a detrimental effect on hunting nationwide, especially in California where a total ban on traditional ammunition for hunting is being phased in now.

ATF is soliciting comments on how it can best implement withdrawal of this exemption while “minimizing disruption to the ammunition and firearm industry and maximizing officer safety”. Under the proposed framework, 30-06 M2AP cartridges would continue to be exempt because there are no multi-shot handguns generally available that accept such ammunition.

The proposal is useless since standard lead-only 5.56 ammunition is “armor piercing” simply due to the round’s velocity. Rifles in this caliber, or any caliber for that matter, are rarely used in crimes.

ATF will accept comments on this proposal until March 16, 2015. Email or write ATF today and tell them you oppose this unnecessary, misguided and damaging ban on commonly used ammunition for America’s most popular sporting rifles.

Email: APAComments@atf.gov
Fax: (202) 648-9741.

Mail:
Denise Brown, Mailstop 6N-602, Office of Regulatory Affairs, Enforcement Programs and Services, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, 99 New York Avenue, NE, Washington, DC 20226: ATTN: AP Ammo Comments.

Courtesy of NSSF.org

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6 posted on 02/17/2015 6:56:41 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo
A few questions come to mind as this new proposal gets more attention. 1) Why now? 2) Is "armor piercing" .223 ammunition really being used at epidemic rates against our law enforcement officers?

He answered #2, but the answer to #1 is: to get ready for the "coming future time"...

7 posted on 02/17/2015 6:57:54 AM PST by Old Sarge (Its the Sixties all over again, but with crappy music...)
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To: grobdriver

8 posted on 02/17/2015 6:58:32 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: Blue Collar Christian
"The “potential domestic terrorists” cannot be equipped to deal with these peace keepers."

I'm afraid that that horse has already left the barn. 0 has done NOTHING during his time in office better than he has caused the population to arm itself. That may or may not ultimately save the nation but I can't imagine anyone having gone through the past six years voluntarily giving up their weapons.

If nothing else comes from obamas presidency, he has generated a deeper understanding and more determined application of:


9 posted on 02/17/2015 7:04:57 AM PST by skimbell
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To: KeyLargo

Don’t worry the NRA is on the scene.

They (NRA) will probably negotiate terms that will allow us to apply for permits to buy cheap steel core ammo. As a side bonus they (NRA) may even get them to throw us a bone like being able to keep our AR platform rifles if we agree to have the mag well welded shut.

NRA is to Gun owners as Al Sharpton is to Black folks.


10 posted on 02/17/2015 7:11:10 AM PST by Romans Nine
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To: Romans Nine

Well I appreciate the help. Every little bit helps. I’m glad the ISRA alert is out there.

Best get ‘er done rather than b!tch. Just my humble opinion.


11 posted on 02/17/2015 7:17:59 AM PST by Alas Babylon! (As we say in the Air Force, "You know you're over the target when you start getting flak!")
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To: KeyLargo
That's them - and they make up about half of my stash.

Dunno if that's good or bad...

12 posted on 02/17/2015 7:18:54 AM PST by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: Alas Babylon!

So where are the race hustlers on Bloom-turd stating that the government has to get the guns out of the hands of blacks so that they cannot defend themselves?

Audio Surfaces of Michael Bloomberg’s Brutally Candid Comments About Guns and Minorities

Feb. 16, 2015 10:17pm Jason Howerton

Audio has surfaced of former New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg’s controversial comments about getting “guns out of the hands” of minorities” during a Feb. 6 event at the Aspen Institute. Bloomberg’s represenatives reportedly attempted to block the release of footage of his remarks at the event.

“It’s controversial, but first thing is all of your — 95 percent of your murders and murderers, and murder victims fit one M.O. You can just take the description, Xerox it, and pass it out to all of the cops. They are male, minorities, 15 to 25. That’s true in New York, it’s true in virtually every city in America,” Bloomberg is heard saying in the newly released audio.

“That’s where the real crime is,” he added. “You’ve got to get the guns out of the hands of the people that are getting killed. First thing you can do to help that group is to keep them alive.”

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/02/16/audio-surfaces-of-michael-bloombergs-unexpectedly-candid-comments-about-guns-and-minorities/


13 posted on 02/17/2015 7:24:38 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo

Banning ammunition and putting the manufacturers out of business due to burdensome regulation is how the Marxists plan to disarm us. One round at a time.


14 posted on 02/17/2015 7:26:03 AM PST by IamConservative (If fighting fire with fire is a good idea, why do the pros use water?)
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To: IamConservative

“Just as disturbing, language used by ATF in its long white paper refers to criminals as a “consumer group.” The implication that the industry purposely sells firearms and ammunition to criminals is misleading and echoes the shopworn charges of the gun control lobby.”


15 posted on 02/17/2015 7:28:42 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: grobdriver

WTF! BATFE to Ban Common AR-15 Ammo

AUDIO:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54BGrQPPSGE


16 posted on 02/17/2015 7:31:52 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: Puppage

Here’s a thought... if you want a safe job Don’t do no knock raids in the middle of the night. Get the address right and don’t shoot grandma or the dog. Please no flash bangs in baby cribs and maybe Officer Dumb $hit will get home safe.


17 posted on 02/17/2015 7:37:30 AM PST by lostboy61 (Lock and Load and stand your ground!.)
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To: Alas Babylon!

Exactly how has the NRA done any “little bit” that “helped”?
They have never supported the Second Amendment as it is written. They have negotiated thus keeping their multi-million dollar business open.

Just like Unions they manufacture no product thus have no liability yet they still remain “open for business” with million dollar budgets.

Suzanne Gratia-Hupp, a woman, stood up to Congress and told them more about the Second Amendment than the NRA has EVER done.

You say “every little bit helps”, show me how ever giving one inch has ever helped the Second Amendment and then tell me who was at the helm of those negotiations.

The Second Amendment has no room for any compromise ever.

Suzanne Gratia-Hupp. Google her name. Watch the video, the whole thing. Show me anything the NRA has EVER done that would compare. As a side bonus you get to see a younger Chuck Shumer with that same condescending smirk on his rotten face.

NRA does have a nice museum at Bass Pro Shop in Springfield. That is probably their future promoting museums to our once great Second Amendment.


18 posted on 02/17/2015 7:38:23 AM PST by Romans Nine
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To: KeyLargo

Anyone got any numbers on how many law enforcement officers have been shot and/or killed by AP ammo from a pistol?


19 posted on 02/17/2015 7:48:45 AM PST by Dead Corpse (A Psalm in napalm...)
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To: IamConservative

Exactly. Have you seen homosexual marriage? They lost, big time, in vote after vote. Then they took little pieces here and there and racked up victories. Coupled with the corrupt leftist judges, homosexual marriage looks to soon be state approved.

The anti-gun Marxists are following the exact same script.

Wait, don’t we have a Republican Congress? So there is NOTHING they can do - at all?


20 posted on 02/17/2015 7:48:51 AM PST by Obadiah (Wind turbines, aka: bird choppers, cause earthquakes due to their harmonic frequencies.)
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