Posted on 02/07/2015 6:09:14 AM PST by Kaslin
Outspoken British atheist Stephen Fry was recently asked what he would say to God if such a being really existed and he encountered him/her/it after death. His reply was passionate, eloquent, defiant, and irreverent. I wonder what God might say to him.
How would the Creator respond to being characterized by a mere mortal as “utterly evil . . . capricious, mean-minded, stupid” and “monstrous,” among other choice descriptions?
The first error made by Fry was assuming he would be able to speak at all in God’s presence, having no idea that he would suddenly encounter perfect purity, unimaginable love, absolute goodness, untainted justice, blazing truth, unadulterated light.
In a moment, he would be overwhelmed by his own sinfulness – not so much as an atheist but as a human being – his selfishness, his arrogance, his carnality, his hypocrisy.
Rather than rebuking God he would be reproaching himself, wailing aloud, “I am so very, very sorry for who I am and what I have done. Could you possibly have mercy on a wretch like me?”
But what of the substance of his remarks? What if he could have his say with God? How would the Lord respond?
Fry was outraged that an allegedly loving and compassionate God could allow such terrible suffering among his creation, stating that he would say to the deity, “bone cancer in children, what’s that about? How dare you create a world where there is such misery that’s not our fault? It’s utterly, utterly evil.”
God might say to him, “I applaud you for your moral indignation. In fact, you got it straight from me. If you were simply the result of a freak, unguided evolutionary accident and your brain waves were just the result of neurons firing, you would have no more moral indignation than a zebra being eaten alive by lions or a fly being devoured by a spider.
“The very fact that you care and that you know that such suffering is not right is a reflection of my image in you. But in reality, you don’t know the half of it. I am in constant pain because of the suffering of my creation. The cries and agony are in my ears day and night.”
As explained by the German Christian leader Basilea Schlink, “Anyone who loves as much as God does, cannot help suffering. And anyone who really loves God will sense that He is suffering.”
The Lord might also say, “There’s something else you’re missing. Your own race commits the most horrific, barbaric atrocities day and night – willfully and with premeditation – from burning people alive in a cage to raping little children, from kidnapping and torturing innocent victims to blowing up hundreds of people at a time.
“Yet I don’t just step in and wipe them all out. Why? Because I am more longsuffering than you could ever imagine, and I have created you with a free will so that you could choose to love me or hate me. Would you prefer that I take your freedom from you? Or would you prefer that you never existed?”
Of course, Fry had his guns fully loaded, stating that he would say to God, “Why should I respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid god who creates a world which is so full of injustice and pain?”
The Creator might reply, “What you fail to understand is that for me to create a world inhabited by free moral agents involves the possibility of evil and great suffering, and it is the freedom of the human race that has produced the agony of the human race.”
“But,” Fry would surely protest, “bone cancer in children is surely not their fault. Natural disasters that wipe out thousands in a moment of time are surely not our fault.”
Or, to quote his exact words, “Yes the world is very splendid, but it also has in it insects whose whole life cycle is to burrow into the eyes of children and make them blind....”
In response, the Lord might say, “Doesn’t it seem contradictory to you that I could make such an incredible universe and world, filled with such beauty and splendor and majesty, with human beings standing as the pinnacle of my creation, crafted with precision and skill beyond all mortal calculation, and yet a world filled with those deadly insects you mentioned? Did you ever wonder about that?
“If only you had seen the world before what we call ‘the Fall.’ You would have been utterly stunned by its beauty and perfection. And if you could see the world to come, a world devoid of pain and heartache, a world devoid of plague and pestilence, a world devoid of murder and rape, a world of indescribable wonder and beauty, you would be astonished beyond words.
“It is human sin that has polluted this world and I am in the process of turning this terrible evil into something incredibly good. And although this completely transcends your understanding – remember that what you don’t know is infinitely greater than what you do know – it will be worth it all in the end.”
According to Fry, “The god who created this universe, if he created this universe, is quite clearly a maniac, an utter maniac, totally selfish. We have to spend our lives on our knees thanking him. What kind of god would do that?”
To this God might say, “Does anyone force you to look at beauty? Does anyone require you to appreciate good? I call on my creation to worship me to remind them of who I am and who they are – after all, it is my prerogative as Creator – but in doing so, as they gaze on me and recognize my holy qualities, they are raised up in character and attitude and faith, becoming more and more like me, coming into the fullness of my image in them.
“Whatever I do for my glory I also do for your good, if you only recognize who I am and humble yourself before me.”
Fry claimed that, “Atheism is not just about not believing that there is a God…. It’s perfectly apparent that he is monstrous. Utterly monstrous and deserves no respect whatsoever. The moment you banish him, life becomes simpler, purer, cleaner, more worth living in my opinion.”
To the contrary, as countless millions will attest, it is the moment you truly come to know him and experience him that life takes on real meaning. And we come to know him most fully through Jesus.
Perhaps God would have ended things on that note, saying, “What you have completely overlooked is that I am not some indifferent bystander. I get involved in the pain of my creation.
“In fact, through Jesus, I entered into this world and took the place of sinners and rebels and tyrants and scoundrels and mass murderers and every other foul expression of humanity, giving my Son as a payment for your transgressions so that you, along with every other person who has ever lived, might go free and might enjoy my blessing forever.
“Are you really going to reproach me, Stephen?”
A caller to my radio show suggested that at the root of atheism was a sense of divine betrayal, as if God had somehow let the person down in their moment of greatest need, after which they concluded that he must not be there at all.
As my friend Dr. Frank Turek often says, what many atheists really feel is, “There is no God, and I hate him.”
Perhaps this is what happened to Fry as well, or perhaps, as a homosexual, he felt excluded by the church and rejected by God.
Either way, I imagine in this encounter beyond the grave that the Lord might have pinpointed the root of Fry’s atheism, at which moment he might have dissolved in tears, for the first time seeing the love of the Father.
The good news is that Stephen Fry is yet living and breathing, and where there’s life, there’s hope.
Let’s lift up a prayer on his behalf.
‘Don’t think I’ve ever heard of him.
Anything to stay relevant, it seems.
And if pondering that doesn't make an atheist angry, then he's simply not human.
I guess these exercises are fun but far be it from me to put words into God's mouth.
“The fairest question of all is, “Why do innocents suffer?””
For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.” Romans 3:23
There are no innocents. We are born into a state of sin.
“‘Don’t think I’ve ever heard of him.
Anything to stay relevant, it seems.”
Exactly. I don’t think everyone out there really understands this principle. If you want to be famous and make money from it spout off.
great article
“But,” Fry would surely protest, “bone cancer in children is surely not their fault. Natural disasters that wipe out thousands in a moment of time are surely not our fault.”
One thing about God: He can literally un-do all that is done. Not just provide a reality that over powers the past, but wipe it away. He is the Author of Time. It is nothing to Him. All of the evil work done since the dawn of time is just ephemera to God. Shadows.
What the Fry’s of the world (over the age of 14) are actually about is this: He is doing stuff of which God disapproves and he’d rather attack and dismiss God than to cut the crap. Put a gnatcam on this guy and follow him for a year and you’ll find out what God REALLY has to put up with beside bone cancer in children.
But my God will be much more forgiving than me, if he repents before he dies, God will have mercy.
Ecc 9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.
Ah — so Fry is put off by the suffering of the innocent, especially young ones? Outstanding! He must surely be an ardent opponent of abortion, then? What could be more cruel? What could be more unjust? What could be more painful.
Thanks, Fry-baby. We’ve been needing your powerful forensic abilities. Welcome to the cause, Fry-baby. You bastard.
Do innocents suddenly stop suffering in places where there’s no belief in God?
In other words, a stupid objection to God.
[I wonder what God might say to him.]
Depart from Me. I do not know you.
Because we chose to turn our backs on God and the absolute perfection He offered us in The Garden. That was our choice, not His.
That we now might elect to lay the consequences of our own decision at His feet is pathetic, despicable, and entirely predictable from such a venal, morally corrupt pack of fleshy miscreants.
Well, Bye!
"If you were simply the result of a freak, unguided evolutionary accident and your brain waves were just the result of neurons firing, you would have no more moral indignation than a zebra being eaten alive by lions or a fly being devoured by a spider."
The author is right on the mark.
Fry: "“bone cancer in children, what’s that about? How dare you create a world where there is such misery that’s not our fault? It’s utterly, utterly evil.”
In an atheist universe, "evil", compared to what? "Fault", compared to what?
Fry: "“Why should I respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid god who creates a world which is so full of injustice and pain?”
Again, capricious, mean-minded, stupid and injustice all assume some sort of transcendent standard of judgment that would not exist in an atheist universe.
Fry: “The god who created this universe, if he created this universe, is quite clearly a maniac, an utter maniac, totally selfish. We have to spend our lives on our knees thanking him. What kind of god would do that?”
More of the same self-refuting nonsense because in an atheist worldview his moral notions and indignation are nothing but arbitrary brain waves. "Maniac" and "selfish" both assume non-material or abstract, universal and unchanging standards that are internally inconsistent with and and could not exist in a non-theistic universe. They would be meaningless noise.
Atheism provides no legitimate theoretical foundation for any intellectual or moral endeavor. This is not to say that atheists don't engage in such activities, but each and every time they do, as the author points out, they are proving that they are made in the image of God. They certainly don't have their own logically consistent atheistic foundation for the transcendent intellectual and moral standards they assume and spout off.
Cordially,
I haven’t either
Half of the comedy team of Fry and Laurie....the two also were in the series Jeeves and Wooster based on the novels by PG Wodehouse. His partner Hugh Laurie played Dr House. They both were in Blackadder at one time or another.
Fry is a fag....Laurie is not.
I find them both entertaining of sorts.
Actors and comedians need to stay in their chosen fields and keep their offensive (to most people) ideas to themselves and their kindred spirits. I find these people usually will condemn Christianity but shy away from criticism of Islam. I wonder why?(duh)
When a baby is baptized the original sin that we all inherited from Adam and Eve; especially Adam is taken away from it.
We know how God answers. Read His conversation with Job.
How about “Fry, Fry!”
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