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The Global Edition of More Guns = Less Crime
Townhall.com ^ | February 1, 2015 | Daniel J. Mitchell

Posted on 02/01/2015 1:33:35 PM PST by Kaslin

Back in 2013, I shared a snarky post comparing murder rates in Chicago and Houston. What made the data amusing is that any sensible person would look at Chicago’s high murder rate and strict gun control and conclude that perhaps, just maybe, such policies don’t work.

But the post speculated that a left-wing social scientist would instead conclude that “cold weather causes murder.”

Today, let’s take a more serious look at the issue.

Here’s a great video, narrated by Bill Whittle, that looks at gun ownership rates and murder rates.

NUMBER ONE WITH A BULLET

As you can see, America is the number one nation for gun ownership, but we’re nowhere near the top in murder rates.

Having had many arguments with leftists, I can tell you that their response to this video will be to point out that America has one of the highest murder rates if you look solely at developed nations.

That’s true, but this is why the most persuasive data in the video comes near the end when Bill looks at murder rates by major metropolitan areas.

He shows that pro-gun control cities have very high murder rates, whereas heavily armed, pro-gun places such as Plano, TX, have murder rates lower than some of the most tranquil places on the planet.

And although Bill doesn’t make the connection, it’s very much worth noting that Switzerland is one of the world’s most heavily armed nations, yet the murder rate is extremely low.

Moreover, there were no murders in the most recent years for which data are available in Monaco and Liechtenstein, yet I’ve been told during visits to both principalities that there is widespread private gun ownership.

Gee, maybe John Lott is right about more guns leading to less crime.

P.S. Since we’re sharing good news on guns, here’s a heartwarming story about civil disobedience. But this isn’t about civil disobedience solely by gun owners, as we’ve seen in Connecticut.

This is a story about civil disobedience sanctioned by a law enforcement officer!

J.D. Tuccille of Reason reports on the principled behavior of a sheriff in New York.

Fulton County Sheriff Thomas J. Lorey is already known as a supporter of the Second Amendment… Despite the Empire State’s fame as a jurisdiction unfriendly to private gun ownership—or, really, any activity beyond the reach of government officials—Lorey isn’t alone in his views. The New York State Sheriffs Association and individual sheriffsare already on recordopposing tightened gun laws and suing the governor to block their enforcement. But Lorey goes a step further, and urges his constituents to defy the state’s handgun permit law. …”I’m asking everyone that gets those invitations to throw them in the garbage because that is where they belong,” says Lorey in the video below. “They go in the garbage because, for 100 years or more, ever since the inception of pistol permits, nobody has ever been required to renew them.”

Makes me proud to be an American when I read things like this.

Though I guess we shouldn’t be surprised to see law enforcement officers express skepticism about gun control. A poll of cops found that they overwhelmingly reject the left’s anti-gun ideology.

And let’s not forget about the poll showing an overwhelming majority of regular citizens would engage in civil disobedience if the government tried to confiscate guns.

P.P.S. Since it’s Super Bowl weekend, here’s a depressing reminder of the NFL’s anti-gun bias.

P.P.P.S. If you like pro-Second Amendment videos, here’s a great collection.

And if you want gun control videos that are both funny and on the right side, here’s my collection.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: banglist

1 posted on 02/01/2015 1:33:35 PM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
Comparing murder rates and gun ownership across countries


2 posted on 02/01/2015 1:36:22 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the fascists.)
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To: Kaslin

Compare per capita gun crime rates for Chicago and Montpiliar (VT) and gun advocates will quickly point ou VT has few gun control laws compared to Chicago.

IMHO, there’s one big factor not not mentioned and that’s the amount of criminals per capita.


3 posted on 02/01/2015 1:52:22 PM PST by umgud (I couldn't understand why the ball kept getting bigger......... then it hit me.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
I'd like to see a similar chart showing the homicide rates vs. gun ownership by state. I'd surmise that places like Texas (excluding the Mexican areas) and Oklahoma have low murder rates because guns are plentiful and, as has been well-documented, an armed society is a polite society. Plus those two states have a respect for Almighty God, the military, traditional marriage and the other foundational values of America.

I'd imagine the murder rate is through the roof in deranged places like Massachusetts, Oregon and other bastions of anti-gun liberalism. I don't have the actual statistics at hand but common sense does back up my contention.

4 posted on 02/01/2015 1:52:55 PM PST by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: re_nortex

The statistical sleight-of-hand gun-haters like to use is that places with weak gun laws and high gun ownership rates have more “gun deaths.”

What they won’t tell you is that those places have the lowest per capita murder rates.

More guns, less murder.

Bill Whittle’s video “Number One With a Bullet” illustrates this very succinctly.

Here is a link to it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pELwCqz2JfE

Here are links to the three data sources that he references.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#By_country

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_murder_rate

Fact is, states and countries with strong gun laws and low gun ownership rates lead the nation and world in per capita murder rate.

Don’t let them hide behind the “gun deaths” fig leaf.


5 posted on 02/01/2015 1:57:41 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the fascists.)
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To: umgud
IMHO, there’s one big factor not not mentioned and that’s the amount of criminals per capita.

Exactly. Despite Whittle's assertion of strict gun control in Detroit it happens to be 100% false. The simple fact is that Detroit is among the freest cites when it comes to guns. Concealed carry with a permit, open carry without a permit, a solid stand your ground law. That means the explanation for the high crime rate lies somewhere else and that's a discussion few have the courage to take on.
6 posted on 02/01/2015 2:01:56 PM PST by cripplecreek ("For by wise guidance you can wage your war")
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To: umgud
Compare per capita gun crime rates for Chicago and Montpiliar (VT)...

Based upon the 2012 election results, I see no difference between the two. Both are liberal hellholes. In Vermont, 66.57% went for the criminal, hussein. Illinois was still high (57.60%) but even in that leftist state, the numbers weren't as strong in the support for evil.

7 posted on 02/01/2015 2:02:24 PM PST by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
The statistical sleight-of-hand gun-haters like to use is that places with weak gun laws and high gun ownership rates have more “gun deaths.”

The entire world view of liberals is based on falsehoods and fabrications. As far as "gun deaths", in areas where Patriots are well-armed, there are indeed a high proportion of righteous kills. The good guys are taking the bad guys down. In particular, here in Texas, to those not knowing any better (hussein voters and all manner of leftists), homeowners justifiably kill robbers, thieves, invaders and other such thugs.

8 posted on 02/01/2015 2:35:56 PM PST by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: cripplecreek

Detroit is on a new road regarding guns and self defense. Chicago, even with their new ability to ccw, is still trucking the wrong way. My comments are directedd at the seedy parts of both cities.


9 posted on 02/01/2015 2:57:13 PM PST by umgud (I couldn't understand why the ball kept getting bigger......... then it hit me.)
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To: umgud

My point is simply there there is a serious social problem with Detroit that even being armed will never solve. Gun laws have helped quite a bit and led to a downward trend in crime but until families and communities are repaired crime will always be a big problem there.

There are a lot of young, libertarian minded white techies moving into Detroit and that will also help.


10 posted on 02/01/2015 3:04:55 PM PST by cripplecreek ("For by wise guidance you can wage your war")
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To: cripplecreek

You are correct regarding Detroit. My point (not in conflict with yours) is that the number of available criominals a location will drive crime stats.

I sure hope the Super Bowl ads get better.


11 posted on 02/01/2015 3:11:08 PM PST by umgud (I couldn't understand why the ball kept getting bigger......... then it hit me.)
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To: umgud

When you get a chance you might enjoy this. Jason Riley speaks at Hillsdale college about race relations under Obama. (among other things)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-ts=1422579428&x-yt-cl=85114404&v=YjT3umq2pnM#t=20

His second grade niece asks “Why you talk white”?


12 posted on 02/01/2015 3:18:26 PM PST by cripplecreek ("For by wise guidance you can wage your war")
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To: cripplecreek

Thanks, I’ll come back to it after the game.


13 posted on 02/01/2015 3:42:20 PM PST by umgud (I couldn't understand why the ball kept getting bigger......... then it hit me.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Gun ownership rates explain some of it, but not all. Cities like Detroit, New Orleans, Birmingham, and Jackson MS all have high murder rates, yet all cities allow for concealed carry. Indeed all allow for open carry without a permit.


14 posted on 02/01/2015 5:38:15 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (The uniparty: celebrating over 150 years of oligarchy and political control!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

That’s a depressing chart. I was hoping that by now the firearms ownership rate would be at least 200 per 100 people in the US. Maybe part of the problem with high murder rate areas is people who need the firearms don’t have them (poor and in high crime areas).


15 posted on 02/01/2015 5:43:05 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (The uniparty: celebrating over 150 years of oligarchy and political control!)
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To: RKBA Democrat

The fact that blacks commit murder at seven times the rate of non-whites and those cities have a large percentage of black citizens might have something to do with it.

http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-black-americans-commit-crime/19439


16 posted on 02/01/2015 6:13:50 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the fascists.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

But That’s like race,,
well INSANE ,

/s


17 posted on 02/02/2015 6:18:34 PM PST by Big Red Badger ( - William Diamonds Drm - can You Hear it G man?)
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