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The Totalitarianism of Same-Sex “Marriage” (what has happened in Canada since 2005)
Crisis Magazine ^ | January 27, 2015 | JOE BISSONNETTE

Posted on 01/27/2015 9:54:09 AM PST by NYer

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1 posted on 01/27/2015 9:54:09 AM PST by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; Salvation; ...
July 20, 2005 marked a very significant step towards totalitarianism in Canada.

Free speech, the rights of parents, the right to preach and practise one’s religion and the worn and tattered fibers of normative decency were all deeply damaged. With the legalization of same-sex “marriage” what had been aberrant only a few years earlier became entrenched as a legal right, and what had been a normal and natural view of sexuality had been reduced to the retrograde thinking of hate crime dinosaurs.

Catholic ping!

2 posted on 01/27/2015 9:54:38 AM PST by NYer (Without justice - what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: NYer
"keep yer stick on the ice"....

I am a man.

BUT

I can change.
If I have to.
I guess.


3 posted on 01/27/2015 10:00:10 AM PST by hosepipe (" This propaganda has been edited (specifically) to include some fully orbed hyperbole.. ")
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To: NYer

Flew in from Vancouver after the new year. There’s an ad for Tide where 2 faggots were the “couple” and airs nationally. Yeah, it’s puke worthy.


4 posted on 01/27/2015 10:05:12 AM PST by max americana (fired liberals in our company last election, and I laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: NYer

Totalitarianism is the denial of unique and distinctive human differences.

Free societies celebrate those differences. Despots seek to forbid them.

Same Sex Marriage is an assault upon human nature and the concept of the family. Its also an attack on human freedom.

Once we legitimized it, we lost the right to live by our values and celebrate the beautiful and true in human life.

We hardly notice what has happened because after all, we tend to be live and let live people. The enemies of the West have different ideas and they’re not going to stop with taking us all down into the cultural and moral sewer.

Canada stands as a stark warning to us all.


5 posted on 01/27/2015 10:11:46 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: NYer

I’m so glad I was not born 20 or 30 years after the date I was actually born. This way, I won’t live long enough to really suffer the consequences of the rise of totalitarianism.


6 posted on 01/27/2015 10:27:39 AM PST by Rich21IE
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To: hosepipe

If you mix red green can it change to a form of pink, if it wants to?


7 posted on 01/27/2015 10:35:43 AM PST by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - a Classical Christian Approach to Homeschool ])
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Same sex marriage has increased abortions and drug abuse? That’s stretching a bit far. If opponents of same sex marriage want to make a difference, they need to come up with actual facts and not try to blame everything from abortions to global warming on same sex marriage. Live and let live, they still have to get past St. Peter in the end...


8 posted on 01/27/2015 10:40:52 AM PST by jasbd1985
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To: ForYourChildren

OR..... are Canadians PINKOS?.... <- what a concept..


9 posted on 01/27/2015 10:41:12 AM PST by hosepipe (" This propaganda has been edited (specifically) to include some fully orbed hyperbole.. ")
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To: jasbd1985
Live and let live

You are the second poster on this thread to use that phrase. Unfortunately, the homosexuals are not a group of "live and let live" people. They insist that not only must we recognize their relationships, we must approve. Not only approve; but, celebrate who they are and what they do.

If they were willing to "live and let live"; then, the baker who refused to bake a cake celebrating "gay marriage", and who offered names of other bakers who would be willing to bake the cake; that baker would not be involved in a lawsuit at this moment. Tolerance is a one-way street for these bullies.

10 posted on 01/27/2015 11:08:40 AM PST by LibertarianLiz
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The banal evil of same sex marriage is when a single mother gives up a baby for adoption to a two parent family so the kid has a mother and father and it goes to one with two mothers.


11 posted on 01/27/2015 12:05:01 PM PST by tbw2
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To: jasbd1985

“Live and let live.” Like the former Mozilla exec who lost his job over the “crime” of donating to a referendum supporting traditional marriage.


12 posted on 01/27/2015 12:08:33 PM PST by FredZarguna (O, Reason not the need.)
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To: NYer
The legalization of same-sex “marriage” was about prohibiting a definition of heterosexual marriage as normative. It was about the state denying the right to speak one of the most obvious truths about human nature. It was about a conspiracy to enforce collective madness, cultivate psychological dependence and achieve totalitarian control.

[W]e seldom see the significance of what is happening as it happens... Canadians as a people pride themselves on their peace-loving agreeability to a fault. The vast majority of Canadians never utter opinions contrary to the spirit of the age, ...passively submit to educational professionals and popular entertainment as the primary educators of their children, ...no longer take religion seriously, and... a large majority of the clergy had long ago given up on preaching the more difficult teachings of Christianity.

The march to madness was long and over time there were more and more truths about which we could not speak. In public spaces conservatives had to live increasingly within their own minds, and for anybody, alone in your mind can be a dangerous place. In our Walter Mitty imaginations most of us had ...thought of a glorious last stand that we would make if push ever came to shove.... our personal Calvary would be heroic and unflinching. But the sad truth is that most of us die by the inch rather than the sword, and this we knew in our heart of hearts, and so many of us came to despise ourselves and give up. The legalization of same-sex “marriage” in Canada has decimated the social conservative movement.

13 posted on 01/27/2015 12:24:51 PM PST by Albion Wilde (It is better to offend a human being than to offend God.)
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To: jasbd1985
Same sex marriage has increased abortions and drug abuse? That’s stretching a bit far.


Truly, that passage was not well explained. It's a complicated issue; let me try to round up a few ideas:

1) After same-sex marriage was legalized in the Netherlands, the rate of heterosexual marriage declined markedly. Marriage and particularly natural parenthood had been "officially" redefined, devalued, and desexualized.

2) The pernicious sweep of "no-fault" divorce from the 70s-80s onward "officially" removed moral considerations from marriage and parenthood. This legal fad more than perhaps any other has contributed to the gay lobby's belief that marriage is a "right" without the conventional restrictions that gays do not practice to the same extent that heterosexuals do, such as the expectation of faithfulness to the one person to whom one is married.

3) When divorce between the biological parents of children became more commonplace, accompanied by a rise in petitions for government to allow adoptions by single persons and eventually by gay and lesbian persons, an industry sprang up to "help" all these persons become divorced from biology — attorneys, counselors, divorce accountants, therapists, educational consultants, authors — many leftists seized these opportunities and, like the Global Warmists, do not want to lose their lucrative hustles.

4) The divorce industry creates "winners" and "losers" in inverse or in perverse relationship to the care of children. If one parent gave up working to care for the children in marriage, the other parent is seen as more financially capable of caring for the children at divorce. If one parent tried to impart traditional marital values such as fidelity or religious observance within the marriage, that parent would run the risk of losing custody at divorce, being characterized as "bigoted", "hateful" or "discriminatory."

5) Awards of child support for anyone but the very wealthy are typicallly substantially less than half of the actual cost of raising the child; yet, with the cost of now running two households, they are onerous also to the one paying the support — a lose-lose proposition frightening many from the prospect of marrying at all, or bringing a child into the world if pregnant.

When marriage is legally divorced from the onset of sexual activity and from morality itself, and when marriage and childbearing are legally divorced from fidelity, economic support for caretaking of children and from permanence, society experiences a lowering of expectations and morale, and even a desperation at the perceived lack of opportunity to live in a loving family with children. It is no surprise that substance abuse would accompany these conditions, as it did in the Soviet Union after their abolition of religion; however, I agree with you that the cause-and-effect cannot be perfectly laid at the door of the onset of gay marriage legalization alone.

14 posted on 01/27/2015 12:59:57 PM PST by Albion Wilde (It is better to offend a human being than to offend God.)
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To: NYer

The Buggernaut strikes again.


15 posted on 01/27/2015 1:14:14 PM PST by RichInOC ("Stupidity is also a gift from God, but one mustn't misuse it."--Pope St. John Paul II)
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To: Albion Wilde
When marriage is legally divorced from the onset of sexual activity and from morality itself, and when marriage and childbearing are legally divorced from fidelity, economic support for caretaking of children and from permanence, society experiences a lowering of expectations and morale, and even a desperation at the perceived lack of opportunity to live in a loving family with children.

Legalizing ssm has opened the doors to other forms of deviant unions. It should come as no surprise as it drags us back to a pagan lifestyle. In case you missed it,

Teen plans to marry father, have children

It's all about love!

16 posted on 01/27/2015 2:49:56 PM PST by NYer (Without justice - what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: NYer

Yeah, saw that. Revolting.


17 posted on 01/27/2015 3:01:29 PM PST by Albion Wilde (It is better to offend a human being than to offend God.)
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To: Albion Wilde

It also breaks down the influence of Christian or conservative parents on their children. The kids are more skeptical of their parents since their conservative or Christian parents hold “illegal” attitudes that have been outlawed by society and not tolerated in their schools. They start to see their parent as being “haters”. I work with church kids and have seen this happen in CA.


18 posted on 01/27/2015 4:51:18 PM PST by DeweyCA
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To: jasbd1985

Homosexual “marriage” is about pure Marxism and the elimination of Truth and Natural Laws and Christian Ethics from the public square and the minds of the future. (Marxism—destroy all Traditions and Wisdom of the Ages for their irrational “utopia” of total slavery)..

Reason (modern science) was only possible with a Christian Worldview-—recognization of Natural Law——all homosexuality is perversion in nature—denial of Laws of Nature and nature’s God (Designer)....it is the removal of Common Sense and identity in human beings and all moral religions——making Lies into truth (which is irrational emotions only).

This removal of Reason and Truth and Faith is Marxism and Fascism-—imposing a worldview on children using indoctrination forcing irrational, identity denial-—removing that essential human characteristic (truth) Male or Female for biological lies.

Marxists have to destroy identity in children-—create an artificial, unnatural world so children are so dumb and ignorant of Laws of Nature they believe “Snow is Black” (Fichte 1810) and Vice is Virtue to collapse civil society for irrational tribal mindsets (serfdom/slavery)-—they can’t understand Natural Laws (which created the Age of Reason and US Constitution and OUR legal system).

For total slavery, Marxists have to destroy the Constitution. Taking Truth and Reason out of our “Justice” (virtue) System, (which homosexual anything does) destroys Rule of Law. It is fascist Rule of Man.


19 posted on 01/27/2015 6:03:30 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: DeweyCA
kids are more skeptical of their parents since their conservative or Christian parents hold “illegal” attitudes that have been outlawed by society and not tolerated in their schools. They start to see their parent as being “haters”.

I agree. The "self-esteem" movement in schools is another tenet of Marxism aimed at eliminating parental authority, religion and respect for traditional values.

20 posted on 01/27/2015 6:14:28 PM PST by Albion Wilde (It is better to offend a human being than to offend God.)
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