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1 posted on 01/09/2015 7:04:41 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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It’s pretty elementary. If the GOP nominates a RINO its base will stay home. I know I won’t vote for Jeb Bush, Mitt Romney, or Chris Christie if they are the nominee.


2 posted on 01/09/2015 7:09:09 AM PST by dowcaet
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So true.


4 posted on 01/09/2015 7:10:42 AM PST by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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5 posted on 01/09/2015 7:14:20 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not A Matter of Opinion)
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The Marxists with their huge organization and lovingly nurturing MSM sycophants have, I believe already achieved invincibility at the national level This is especially obvious when you see what has just happened at the Speaker and Majority leader elections.


6 posted on 01/09/2015 7:16:15 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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If Romney had won in 2012, the gun control bill that stalled in Congress in 2013 would be law, amnesty for 30 million illegal aliens would have been achieved, Obamacare would be right where it is today, and Nancy Pelosi would have been chosen Speaker of the House earlier this week.


7 posted on 01/09/2015 7:17:10 AM PST by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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Comments?

Yeah, my tagline.


8 posted on 01/09/2015 7:19:10 AM PST by Obadiah (If the RINOs engineer the 2016 Primary for their guy, I will sit out the General for my guy.)
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Doesn’t matter to me, one way or the other, if Palin or Levin bolt the Party. If a candidate has an R in front of his or her name they will not get my vote anymore. Fool me once, etc., etc. They have fooled us all too many times.

How many “R”’s who won this past election have all ready betrayed their constituents?

That’s it. I’m done with them. “R”, “D”, show me the difference.

You true conservatives in Washington have to step up to the plate. Renounce your affiliation with the Republican Party. It is done. Stick a fork in it and move on.


11 posted on 01/09/2015 7:22:28 AM PST by mark3681
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If Jeb gets elected, we loose. Its as simple as that. If we can defeat him in the primaries, all fine and dandy. But just like Boehner was re-elected to the Speakership through redistribution of large donations from lobbyists to his cmpaing committees, the same people are wokring to get Jeb nominated.

Remember, Romney never got a majority of votes in most state primaries. More votes went to the opposition than to him. The same thing may happen in 2016.

If Jeb is nominated and elected, he will sit in office for another 8 years, giving lip service to conservative ideas while doing NOTHING to reverse America’s slide into third worldism. He will be worse than his brother and father.

So, if he is nominated, stay home or vote third party and hope he loses. We might get a better crack at it 4 years - if we still have a country left.


12 posted on 01/09/2015 7:22:31 AM PST by ZULU (Quo usque tandem abutere Obama patientia nostra? . Cicero, First Oration against Cataline)
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Talk of a "third party" is like throwing in the towel early. Those of us who see the necessity should call it a "new party" rather than a "third party." And a new party will not be solely a portion of the old Republican Party. When it is successful in taking many legislatures it will grow rapidly to be one of the two primary parties and the Whiglicans will dissolve into a Northeast rump of local significance only and then disappear. after a couple of years.

For the time being I hope the 2̀ declared Conservatives in the House will form a Conservative Caucus and refuse to participate in the Republican Caucus. The temptation is to say, "but then they will have no influence." They have no influence as it is, and no dignity either. The two parties in the House now are the Democrat Party and the Democrat Party Boehner Division.

boehner should get his revenge by excluding the 25 from the Republican (sic) Caucus.

13 posted on 01/09/2015 7:23:08 AM PST by arthurus
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I will gladly follow them out the door.


14 posted on 01/09/2015 7:23:49 AM PST by kimoajax (Rack'em & Stack'em)
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The party is certainly at a crossroads. We’ve went along twice with “moderates” with confused messages and lack of teeth. While I don’t believe a firebrand conservative is necessarily the answer I do believe that a passionate, constitutionalist, freedom loving, conservative is the answer. We have the wind at our backs. Liberty isn’t hard to sell, strong families, a growing economy, the boot of government off of the necks of working families isn’t a hard sell but for some reason GOP leadership seem to think their target demographic is illegal aliens, the inside the beltway political class, and corporatist money men. The reason Reagan is popular even today is because he sold an optimistic liberty loving, proud, patriotic vision. I don’t believe that appeal has changed. The problem is we haven’t had a candidate run on anything close to that in a long while.


16 posted on 01/09/2015 7:24:26 AM PST by Maelstorm ("I would rather die standing than to live on my knees" Stephane Charbonnier cartoonist Charlie Hedbo)
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If the “base” of a party doesn’t actually vote for the candidates that the party runs how can it be considered “the base”?


17 posted on 01/09/2015 7:25:12 AM PST by FewsOrange
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Pffft. If Palin and/or Levin have not been persuaded to leave the GOP yet then I fail to see what could possibly move them at this point.

And since I haven't posted this in a little while --

Much of FR from 2009-2012 = I hate RINOs. I only vote for conservatives. I refuse to vote for liberals. I'm done with the GOP. We need a 3rd party. Blah, blah, blah.

Much of FR close to Election Day 2012 = If you vote for anyone but the Republican candidate you are a traitor. It will be all your fault if Obama wins. Please, please, please vote for Romney.

Much of FR from 2013-present = I hate RINOs. I only vote for true conservatives. I refuse to vote for liberals. I'm done with the GOP. We need a 3rd party. Blah, blah, blah.

Much of FR close to Election Day 2016 = If you vote for anyone but the Republican candidate you are a traitor. It will be all your fault if (insert Dem candidate here) wins. Please, please, please vote for (Romney or Bush or Christie or...)

18 posted on 01/09/2015 7:26:00 AM PST by gdani (Ebola exposed the U.S. as fearful, easy-to-manipulate weaklings)
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We are going to have this discussion again, and it will probably get heated, again.

I believe a Christian has a responsibility before Christ to vote. Every election. No matter how disagreeable the choice.

Voting is a leadership function, and God WILL hold Christians accountable for the part they play. No use saying you will ‘pray’ for your country if you refuse to exercise the leadership authority God has already bestowed upon you.

Voting is a matter of conscience. Its not just about what benefits you personally, or sticking it to the other side, or your team winning, or who endorsed whom. Voting is a sacred trust, a function of stewardship with the goal of providing the most Godly leadership the United States can have, with the purpose of invoking God’s blessing upon this great nation, which was founded upon His principles.

Decide whom you serve, and man up, and act accordingly.


22 posted on 01/09/2015 7:27:27 AM PST by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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Wisconsin (-6.94%)

Won THREE times by conservative Scott Walker.

If Scott Walker can beat a -6.94% margin handily, then Florida (-0.88%), Ohio (-2.98%), Virginia (-3.88%), and Colorado (-5.36%) will be a cinch.


24 posted on 01/09/2015 7:28:20 AM PST by kidd (What we have now is the federal gruberment)
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If the RINO Party nominates a RINO, then they bear the responsibililty if a demonicrat traitor is elected.


27 posted on 01/09/2015 7:30:45 AM PST by Carl Vehse
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I honestly think the best idea is a ‘Free Independent Republican’ party.

If the GOP nominates a candidate the 3rd party can live with, then it publicly endorses that candidate.

If the GOP does not, then it publicly runs an alternative 3rd candidate who runs under actual republican principles.

Obviously, a known candidate would be best. Any funding would have to be workers' shoe leather, because actual resources would be limited.

State by state laws would be a problem.

But, I do not like not voting for president. I want someone to support.

28 posted on 01/09/2015 7:32:34 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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Palin/Bush. Doing a double take with that conclusion and the consequence of a Bush 3 presidency down the road.

Matt 18:8“If your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; it is better for you to enter life crippled or lame, than to have two hands or two feet and be cast into the eternal fire. 9“If your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out and throw it from you. It is better for you to enter life with one eye, than to have two eyes and be cast into the fiery hell.”

I kind of like the at all cost approach. No RINOs.


29 posted on 01/09/2015 7:34:09 AM PST by huldah1776
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After the speaker vote, where everyone who voted a boner in basically held up a sign saying “I am owned by the statist govt and not representing you idiots in TV land,” I’m ready to HURT the Republicans.

I am hoping but not holding my breath that we can push a good constitutional conservative to the nomination. If not, I’ll get me one of those “I’m Ready For Hillary; What Difference Does It Make” bumper stickers. Hey, that would make a good tagline.


30 posted on 01/09/2015 7:34:52 AM PST by Yaelle (No Cruz? Then "I'm Ready for Hillary; What Difference Does It Make?")
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The road to 270 Electoral College votes is extremely difficult

Breaking California into 4 to 6 states so the Dems don't start out with a 52 vote lead would help. /sorta sarc

32 posted on 01/09/2015 7:37:17 AM PST by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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