I Rise Today in Support of the NYPD [Garner article, dead on!]

The Stand (AFA) ^ | Dec 5, 2014 | Bryan Fischer

[upchuck]

This article was written a few days ago but it is absolutely right.

The protestors have nothing to protest about. Just like Ferguson.

[PGR88]

This article is concise and logical. But logic is useless. We are afloat in a sea of politics and emotion

[El Cid]

ping

[econjack]

Alas, it seems to be a universal truth that protesters do not have the ability to seek out, read, or comprehend the facts.

[txnativegop]

They will simply protest the “appearance of wrongdoing” and continue as before.

Libs never let facts get in the way of what they want to believe.

[Chgogal]

If you are really being choked, there is no way in he!! that you can say “I can’t breathe!" ELEVEN TIMES. No way Jose!

Now I will read your post. ; )

[GOPJ]

So a black officer ordered the crackdown, black business owners called for the arrest, a black officer ordered the arrest, and a black officer supervised the arrest itself. It’s also worth noting that the 23-member grand jury which refused to indict the arresting officer included nine non-white members. Ask yourself how many of those facts you have heard from any member of the race-obsessed, low-information media.

Garner had been arrested 31 times, and eight of those had been for selling loosies. His rap sheet goes back decades and includes arrests for assault and grand larceny.

At the time of his death, Garner was out on bail after being charged with multiple offenses...

Even Holder - with the help of the New York Times - won't be able to make this about race...

[Chgogal]

The autopsy explicitly declares that there was no injury to Garner’s windpipe or to his neck bones. This was a wrestler’s headlock, not a chokehold. (As a sidenote, chokeholds, while contrary to police policy, are not in fact illegal in the state of New York when an officer uses one to restrain a resisting subject. They are not even illegal in New York City, at the insistence of liberal mayor Bill DeBlasio.) Patrolman Pantaleo was not indicted for the simple reason that he did nothing wrong.

There, I told you so! : )

[jonose]

Travon, Brown & Garner aren’t about any facts except one:
Blacks that are making money of of the blacks are panicked by the growth of the Hispanic population.

You see the dems have sold the blacks out for the new population of voters. Blacks are aborting too many future voters, and the dems need a new crop of dependents.

[cld51860]

“A 43-year old father of six...”

... Selling illegal cigarettes on the street. Now, just think about that for a moment. SIX kids... That is not what Chris Rock means when he says you are SUPPOSED to take care of your kids.

[griswold3]

I’ve been saying the same thing all along.
If they want to charge the officer with the hold around the head area, what about the officer who allegedly had applied weight on his chest.
ALL evidence needs to be weighed for any conclusions to be assessed.

[MeganC]

The problem with the logic in your post is that Garner died from asphyxiation.

[rfreedom4u]

Garner had been arrested 31 times

I’m interested to know how many of the 31 others arrests he resisted? I guess number 32 was the straw that broke the camel’s back.

Perhaps he should have chosen a different career.

[Responsibility2nd]

The problem with the logic in your post is that Garner died from asphyxiation.

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No he did not.

[Chgogal]

Wrong, Bucko! ; )

In addition, he suffered from heart disease, advanced diabetes, hypertension, obesity and sleep apnea. Contrary to public perception, he did not die on site, nor did he die of asphyxiation. He suffered cardiac arrest in the ambulance and was declared dead about an hour later at the hospital.

[upchuck]

The problem with the logic in your post is that Garner died from asphyxiation.

Perhaps this quote from the article will help you:

The patrolman who wrestled Garner to the ground, Daniel Pantaleo, did it by the book, using a takedown maneuver every policeman is taught at the academy. He did not, in fact, use a chokehold, which is defined by the NYPD as “any pressure to the throat or windpipe, which may prevent or hinder breathing or reduce intake of air.” Now Garner was clearly able to breathe, since that’s the only way he could repeatedly say, “I can’t breathe.”

The autopsy explicitly declares that there was no injury to Garner’s windpipe or to his neck bones. This was a wrestler’s headlock, not a chokehold. (As a sidenote, chokeholds, while contrary to police policy, are not in fact illegal in the state of New York when an officer uses one to restrain a resisting subject. They are not even illegal in New York City, at the insistence of liberal mayor Bill DeBlasio.) Patrolman Pantaleo was not indicted for the simple reason that he did nothing wrong.

Garner’s death likely should be attributed to the fact that he himself suffered from severe asthma, something the arresting officers had no reason to know... Garner “couldn’t breathe” because of his asthma, not because of a chokehold.

In addition, he suffered from heart disease, advanced diabetes, hypertension, obesity and sleep apnea. Contrary to public perception, he did not die on site, nor did he die of asphyxiation. He suffered cardiac arrest in the ambulance and was declared dead about an hour later at the hospital.

[Gay State Conservative]

Yes,he was breaking the law (a misdemeanor).Yes,he did resist.But given the non-urgency of the situation (he wasn't wanted for murder or rape...he wasn't armed...he wasn't threatening anyone) his arrest could have,and should have,been handled differently.IMO one or more of the cops either demonstrated having been poorly trained or were guilty of negligence.As a juror in a criminal trial I strongly suspect I would vote not guilty but as a juror in a civil case against the City of New York I know for a fact that I'd vote to award the family serious $$$.

[Responsibility2nd]

 

Still wearing your shirt? Well, aren't you special.

HOW do you know he wasn't wanted for murder or rape? How would the cops have known at the time he resisted that there indeed could have been warrants out for his arrest?

[Leaning Right]

To put it as simply as possible, if Mr. Garner had not broken the law and then resisted arrest, he would be alive today.

That statement is true, but it weakens any argument that uses it.

Suppose you are pulled over for going 10 miles over the speed limit. And then the cop knocks you senseless because you hesitate in producing your driver's license, or whatever. The authorities can rightly claim that had you not been speeding, you wouldn't have been beaten. But that claim can not then excuse the the beating.

My hypothetical is certainly not close to the Garner case, but I hope folks get my point. The cop's defenders here need to use other arguments to make their case.

[geologist]

UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES!

Sad but true.