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To: upchuck
To put it as simply as possible, if Mr. Garner had not broken the law and then resisted arrest, he would be alive today.

That statement is true, but it weakens any argument that uses it.

Suppose you are pulled over for going 10 miles over the speed limit. And then the cop knocks you senseless because you hesitate in producing your driver's license, or whatever. The authorities can rightly claim that had you not been speeding, you wouldn't have been beaten. But that claim can not then excuse the the beating.

My hypothetical is certainly not close to the Garner case, but I hope folks get my point. The cop's defenders here need to use other arguments to make their case.

19 posted on 12/12/2014 8:51:49 AM PST by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Leaning Right
It is not close at all. A better hypothetical would be that the cops sees an open beer in the car, asks you to get out, you do, he decides to arrest you and you resist, and then he and his partner have to force you to the ground - and then you have a heart attack in the back of the squad car from all the exertion.

The main point is, with Trayvon, Brown and Garner, they all triggered the escalation of their situations. However, with Garner they did NOT resort to lethal force, Garner's own health problems are what killed him.

23 posted on 12/12/2014 9:06:04 AM PST by dirtboy
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