Lots of interesting facts here. However, the last fact as to who shot the video seems to be irrelevant to me with regards to the subject matter.
12. The Sergeant in charge at the scene was a black female.
That’s nice. But there is a video. And he was selling a legal product.
At the time of his death, Garner was out on bail after being charged with illegally selling cigarettes, driving without a license, marijuana possession and false impersonation.
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now here is a dangerous criminal.
has the liberal media ever told the truth, even once?
I find fact #7 to be downright bizarre. The author seems to be saying that the cop used an illegal chokehold, but it should be excused because the chokehold was “learned in the academy.”
Charges mean nothing...It's the convictions that count...
Pantaleo’s attorney and police union officials argued that Garner’s poor health was the main cause of his death.
Garner was alive believe he was put into a potential deadly choke hold...Healthy people have been choked to death by police...
6. Garner did not die at the scene of the confrontation. He suffered cardiac arrest in the ambulance taking him to the hospital and was pronounced dead about an hour later.
It was reported that Garner was not breathing while on the sidewalk...Hard to have a cardiac arrest after you are dead...And yet, the cops never instituted life saving techniques after they knew Garner wasn't breathing...
7. Much has been made of the fact that the use of chokeholds by police is prohibited in New York City. But officers reportedly still use them.
Prohibited means illegal...And illegal maneuver by the cops...
and that he used the takedown technique that he learned in the academy when Mr. Garner refused.”
But it was illegal...
10. In order to find Officer Pantaleo criminally negligent, the grand jury would have had to determine that he knew there was a “substantial risk” that Garner would have died due to the take down.
I don't buy it...That would not have swayed me...as long as there was a serious potential risk that would be my criteria...
11. Less than a month after Garner’s death, Ramsey Orta, who shot the much-viewed videotape of the encounter, was indicted on weapons charges. Police alleged that Orta had slipped a .25-caliber handgun into a teenage accomplice’s waistband outside a New York hotel.
Completely irrelevant to the case...
So what if the choke hold wouldn't have brought him down??? Next on the list is a shot to the head???
If I sucker punch a guy in the head who has brain damage that I don't know about, and he dies, I'll be in the gray bar motel...
Had the officer not used an illegal choke hold that cut off Garner's already short suppy of oxygen, the actions of the cop would have been fine...
Bottom line, the officer did not use a ‘choke hold’. The method he used was taught in the academy.
“During his testimony before the grand jury, Pantaleo denied using a chokehold on Garner, saying he applied “a takedown move as he was taught in the [Police] Academy,” London said.”
“He testified in the grand jury that he utilized the techniques that he was trained with in the police academy,” Pantaleo’s attorney, Stuart London, told CBS2’s Kramer. “He was attempting to do a take-down move, which he was taught in the academy. He never intended to apply any force to the individual’s neck, and any contact with the neck was incidental.”
6. Garner did not die at the scene of the confrontation. He suffered cardiac arrest in the ambulance taking him to the hospital and was pronounced dead about an hour later.
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I would like to see a source for that.
In the short video I have seen, there are a dozen officers around. It would be interesting to know if there was a call and that is who responded, or if this situation built over time. Seems kinda Rodney King-ish to me. The video showed part of the situation way overboard, but in context it wasn’t as bad.
At least that is my understanding.
I used to watch some MMA, and some of those guys could make another guy tap in just a few seconds. Others could try but never get a guy to tap or pass out. I doubt the cop could choke the guy out in the 15 seconds that his hands were near the guys throat. Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t want to be choked for 15 seconds, but I find it hard to believe it killed the guy.
7. Much has been made of the fact that the use of chokeholds by police is prohibited in New York City. But officers reportedly still use them. Between 2009 and mid-2014, the Civilian Complaint Review Board received 1,128 chokehold allegations.
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Pantaleo didn’t use a chokehold. He used a wrestling move taught at the police academy. It wasn’t until Garner almost forced him through a glass window that he got his left arm up around Garner’s neck. Pantaleo explained all this to the grand jury which is why he wasn’t indicted. The coroner didn’t find any evidence of choking either.
He still might have had the heart attack.
12. Black female Police sergeant Kizzy Adoni supervized the fatal arrest of Eric Garner. Sgt Adonis made the decision to arrest Eric Garner and at no time did she attempt to de-escalate the situation.
bump.
Garner was not choked to death.
I can find no source that says Garner actually had loose cigarettes on him on that day.
From what I could find, Garner had sold loose cigarettes in the past. And he had just broken up a fight before the plainclothes police arrived.
So here's a very reasonable scenario: Garner had just broken up a fight. He did a good thing. And then the cops show up and far from congratulating him, start hassling him for something he wasn't (currently) doing.
Of course, the scenario collapses if Garner actually was selling loose cigarettes on the day. does anybody here know for sure?
Ref the use of the “choke hold:” Unlike Michael Brown, this is case where a big guy was resisting, but subdued by more than one police officer. As an old Judo player, I can definitely say the move used to take the man down was not a true choke hold and definitely did not kill the man. It was some other issue. The “choke hold” did not last anywhere near long enough to make him pass out, much less die, and it did not crush his trachea (the man could talk). For those of you unfamiliar with sport Judo, we use a lot of choke holds and it is one of the four ways of winning a match. —It is how I won most of the matches I managed to win.-—Judo uses three major forms of choke holds; blood chokes (which can cause you to pass out in 2-3 seconds) and air chokes (which can cause you to pass out in 30 - 40 seconds) and combination blood and air chokes. When any of these chokes is properly applied, it is impossible to speak and the only method of signalling the referee or opponent that the hold has been sunk is to either tap-out or pass out. Choke holds which place pressure directly on the trachea are illegal. It takes approximately 4 minutes of the brain being deprived of oxygen before brain damage which can lead to death occurs. Most police departments do not allow true “choke holds” which can cause a person to pass out. The hold used by the police officer, was more of wrestling/control of the opponent move.
My understanding is the coroner’s report was clear that it was not the choke hold but a combination of pressure on the chest, asphyxiation, heart disease, and asthma which led to cardiac arrest.
I believe we can all recognize that while the officers have to act to make a necessary arrest and protect themselves in the process, at some point the officers should have determined they had a medical emergency on their hands and un-cuffed the victim to get him into a position where his airway and lungs could have been effectively cleared.
On the political side: Unfortunately, the waters have been muddied by so many lies and agendas, that a truly tragic accidental death like this one (which does have plenty of room for negligence charges), gets confused with a clearly justifiable self defense shooting by a Police Officer (Michael Brown), and a truly justifiable prosecution of the NYPD toilet plunger sodomy case for which a now former cop is doing hard time.