Posted on 12/05/2014 5:33:01 AM PST by SJackson
6. Garner did not die at the scene of the confrontation. He suffered cardiac arrest in the ambulance taking him to the hospital and was pronounced dead about an hour later.
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I would like to see a source for that.
In the short video I have seen, there are a dozen officers around. It would be interesting to know if there was a call and that is who responded, or if this situation built over time. Seems kinda Rodney King-ish to me. The video showed part of the situation way overboard, but in context it wasn’t as bad.
At least that is my understanding.
I used to watch some MMA, and some of those guys could make another guy tap in just a few seconds. Others could try but never get a guy to tap or pass out. I doubt the cop could choke the guy out in the 15 seconds that his hands were near the guys throat. Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t want to be choked for 15 seconds, but I find it hard to believe it killed the guy.
7. Much has been made of the fact that the use of chokeholds by police is prohibited in New York City. But officers reportedly still use them. Between 2009 and mid-2014, the Civilian Complaint Review Board received 1,128 chokehold allegations.
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Pantaleo didn’t use a chokehold. He used a wrestling move taught at the police academy. It wasn’t until Garner almost forced him through a glass window that he got his left arm up around Garner’s neck. Pantaleo explained all this to the grand jury which is why he wasn’t indicted. The coroner didn’t find any evidence of choking either.
In the short video I have seen, there are a dozen officers around.
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Most of those officers arrived after the arrest took place. Look at the video again, and you’ll see a police car arriving with its siren on. That’s when the two officers got out their cuffs and began the arrest.
I find fact #7 to be downright bizarre. The author seems to be saying that the cop used an illegal chokehold, but it should be excused because the chokehold was “learned in the academy.”
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It wasn’t a chokehold. See my post #23.
(d) The incident happened way too fast for the supervising officer to properly react. The sergeant is not like a football referee. The ref has his eyes on the play, ready to call a foul the instant it happens. The Sgt. might have been on her radio, reacting to someone in the crowd, etc.
7. Much has been made of the fact that the use of chokeholds by police is prohibited in New York City. But officers reportedly still use them.
Prohibited means illegal...And illegal maneuver by the cops...
and that he used the takedown technique that he learned in the academy when Mr. Garner refused.”
But it was illegal...
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Chokeholds are banned by the police department, they are not illegal. There is no New York statute making them illegal when a police officer is authorized to use force, such as when a person resists arrest.
Regardless, it wasn’t a chokehold as I explain in #23, and as seen in the video if one looks carefully.
He still might have had the heart attack.
If you are on someone else's property, yes. AND you know that.
“That’s nice. But there is a video. And he was selling a legal product.”
He was ILLEGALLY selling an otherwise legal product.
12. Black female Police sergeant Kizzy Adoni supervized the fatal arrest of Eric Garner. Sgt Adonis made the decision to arrest Eric Garner and at no time did she attempt to de-escalate the situation.
Stop it!
U-R-making - 2 much cents...............
The hold is a carotid artery move and when applied is very effective. The problem is you learn it in the academy on a passive subject, applying it to a 350 struggling suspect is an entirely different scenario and adds many dynamics (good an bad).
bump.
Garner was not choked to death.
If I purchase a pack of cigarettes and want to sell them individually I should have every right to do so. The gov’t doesn’t need to skim off every personal transaction people make. I don’t get why it’s illegal.
But wasn’t he on the sidewalk...public property?
Is it legal to stand outside a store and sell products without PERMISSION ?
some states it could be a civil violation, unfair competition if the store sells cigarettes. usually a license to peddle is needed for any door to door sales, health permit for food.
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