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Congressional Revocation and Alteration of Executive Orders (How to Kill the Amnesty EO)
Introduction to Legal Sources in U.S ... ^ | David Alan Jordan

Posted on 11/13/2014 2:06:46 PM PST by 11th_VA

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To: House Atreides
QUESTION: Does the President need to sign off on this Congressional Revocation (i.e., can he veto it) or can it stand on its own?

I'm not a lawyer, but my first thought was the same thing, because a bill passed by Congress does not become a law until signed by the president. But then I realized that an Executive Order is not a law, so it would not necessarily take a law to rescind it. But like I said, I'm not a lawyer, so don't take my word for it. But it seems to me that it certainly would allow Congress to sue the president if he continues to enforce an executive order that has been rescinded by Congress. Separation of powers, and all that stuff. Not sure they'd win, though.

21 posted on 11/13/2014 2:39:38 PM PST by scouter (As for me and my household... We will serve the LORD.)
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To: scouter

“But then I realized that an Executive Order is not a law, so it would not necessarily take a law to rescind it.”

The only real means Congress has to do much of anything is passing laws. I mean, they can hold a hearing on something, or make a press release, but stuff like that is not going to have any effect on an executive order. If they want to cancel it out, whether they do it with a law, or by removing funding, they have to pass a bill to do that. So, yeah, they would probably need to overcome a veto.

I think that is why defunding is the natural route here. The president can veto the spending bill, but then then he would be the one forcing a government shutdown, and I don’t know if he has the stones for that.


22 posted on 11/13/2014 2:46:51 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: House Atreides; 11th_VA
'Can the President veto this Congressional Revocation?'

Yes. But that doesn't mean that the 1st act of a GOP Congress should not be to revoke such a clearly lawless Executive Order as Amnesty.

It must be done to put all members of Congress on the spot with the American people for their vote on the Revocation and Veto override.

The linked citation's additional remedies of denying/prohibiting all appropriations (salaries , expenses, etc.) connected with the Amnesty Executive Order must also be immediately but separately implemented by Congress.

23 posted on 11/13/2014 2:47:53 PM PST by drpix
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

The Demagogic Party and its fellow trav NGOs have been beating on Hillary at her rallies, and other politicians, threatening them — but the ballot box early this month put a much deeper scare into them.


24 posted on 11/13/2014 2:49:57 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______________________Celebrate the Polls, Ignore the Trolls)
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To: 11th_VA

Great find. Bump!


25 posted on 11/13/2014 2:51:29 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: dandiegirl

Judge Andrew Napolitano gives a clear, concise and objective thumbs DOWN to Obama’s halting of deportations. Not legal.


26 posted on 11/13/2014 2:54:04 PM PST by CivilWarBrewing
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To: dandiegirl

“I’m skeptical that BO will do this. We all know that he is a coward....”
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I’m a little skeptical also. BO is, after all, the person who famously said “Don’t call my bluff!” not realizing what a stupid thing that is for the bluffer to say.

If BO DOES do this unconstitutional act, I suspect it will end VERY badly for both Obama and the ‘RATS. It will also not end well for any “enabling” RINOs.


27 posted on 11/13/2014 2:54:15 PM PST by House Atreides (QUESTION: Does the President need to sign off on)
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To: Eddie01
I predict this guy is so bad, that one day it will be common to refer to someone as a political gonner boehner.
28 posted on 11/13/2014 2:58:31 PM PST by DoughtyOne (The mid-term elections were perfect for him. Now Obama can really lead from behind.)
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To: odawg

“I’ll have to correct my own post. There is some clause in the Constitution that gives Congress the authority to limit the Supreme Court in its rulings, not necessarily the authority to reverse a ruling.”

Congress can take away jurisdiction from the Supreme Court to decide cases or subsets of cases.


29 posted on 11/13/2014 2:58:38 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: 11th_VA

So the vehicle is there to stop the assclown.

Remains to be seen whether the testicles are present.


30 posted on 11/13/2014 2:59:15 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: drpix

“Yes. But that doesn’t mean that the 1st act of a GOP Congress should not be to revoke such a clearly lawless Executive Order as Amnesty.

It must be done to put all members of Congress on the spot with the American people for their vote on the Revocation and Veto override.”
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“...the first act of a GOP Congress..” Great point drpix! Let’s get the ‘RATS still extant in the next Congress (as well as all the Chamber of Congress GOPe RINOs) on the record on this FIRST THING when the new Congress convenes. Let’s help them sign their political death warrants.


31 posted on 11/13/2014 3:00:14 PM PST by House Atreides (QUESTION: Does the President need to sign off on)
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To: Boogieman

Yeah, you’re probably right.

The good thing is that they don’t have to do a thing to defund something. They just have to not do something—put funding into a bill. So there is no way for Obama to veto a non-action. Of course, he can stamp his feet and threaten to veto any bill that doesn’t fund his executive order, but that does put the “bad” on him when the government shuts down.

... if they have the cojones to do it. I’m betting they won’t.


32 posted on 11/13/2014 3:02:19 PM PST by scouter (As for me and my household... We will serve the LORD.)
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To: 11th_VA

Save


33 posted on 11/13/2014 3:07:04 PM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? If not us then who?)
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To: 11th_VA

Martial Law is his only option....


34 posted on 11/13/2014 3:07:18 PM PST by Karl Spooner
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To: 11th_VA

this information needs to be moved up the line quickly to people who can make use of it.


35 posted on 11/13/2014 3:09:12 PM PST by ckilmer (q)
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To: robert14

Part of the problem is undoing issued certifications, especially with Congress’ slow procedures (Constitutionally intentional).


36 posted on 11/13/2014 3:09:42 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: 11th_VA

This looks promising.


37 posted on 11/13/2014 3:10:43 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Boogieman

He instigated the last shut down, and then blamed the Republicans for it. He got away with it too.


38 posted on 11/13/2014 3:13:33 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Eddie01

Boner is another WRONG street...the Pubbies are going down.


39 posted on 11/13/2014 3:15:08 PM PST by Osage Orange (I have strong feelings about gun control. If there's a gun around, I want to be controlling it.)
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To: drpix

Yes. But that doesn’t mean that the 1st act of a GOP Congress should not be to revoke such a clearly lawless Executive Order as Amnesty.


1) that’s almost two months away, and the EO can go into effect tonigh or tomorrow, or whenever.

2) they’d have to do more than simply block the EO, as the certification would be done.

3) it would likely have to overcome a veto.


40 posted on 11/13/2014 3:16:49 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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