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Atheist must swear to God -- or leave US Air Force
AFP ^ | September 9, 2014 | Staff

Posted on 09/10/2014 5:44:09 AM PDT by C19fan

The US Air Force has told a sergeant he will have to leave the military unless he agrees to take an oath with the phrase "so help me God," officials said Tuesday.

In the latest religious controversy to roil the air force, the atheist airman last month was denied his request to re-enlist because of his refusal to swear to God -- and he is now poised to take the military to court, his lawyer said.

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KEYWORDS: air; airforce; atheism; atheist; force; military; sohelpmegod
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This sounds like a softball that the courts will knock out of the park.The oath of office in the Constitution does not have the term "so help me God". Presidents believed starting with FDR have added it.
1 posted on 09/10/2014 5:44:09 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: C19fan

If an atheist firmly believes there is no God to be accountable to,

why the fuss?

I wouldn’t have any trouble taking some oath that required me to say “so help me flying rainbow farting unicorns”.


2 posted on 09/10/2014 5:45:33 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: C19fan

“So he’ll me allah.”


3 posted on 09/10/2014 5:48:04 AM PDT by moovova
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To: moovova

help

Darn autocorrekt.


4 posted on 09/10/2014 5:48:55 AM PDT by moovova
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To: C19fan; Jet Jaguar

you mean the way it’s been for 70 years?

Active duty ping


5 posted on 09/10/2014 5:50:29 AM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.- Sarah Palin)
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To: C19fan

1) Is he an atheist, well, let him serve, he’s already done one turn.
2) Is he a Muslim? In that case, he’s lying about his reasons for not swearing on the Bible and since it’s OK to lie according to their book, he’s just doing what M told him to do.


6 posted on 09/10/2014 5:50:57 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it? Do you like it, Scott? I call it, "Mr. & Mrs. Tenorman Chili.")
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To: C19fan

Atheists who refuse such an oath obviously believe in God, but they just HATE God.

A real Atheist wouldn’t care.


7 posted on 09/10/2014 5:52:21 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (Barack Obama is showing the world what it would look like had America never been born.)
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To: MrB
Exactly as you stated it - he is being allowed to lie or leave; hardly a terrible conundrum for one who doesn't believe in God.

The article is a sham to keep trying to push God out of the picture - little do they realize who owns the picture...

8 posted on 09/10/2014 5:53:15 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: MrB
I think there is also the opportunity to pursue a line of questioning concerning whether this joker ever lied in his life. If it can be shown that he once lied, then he has no excuse not to ‘lie’ and say, “so help me God”. At the same time, by doing that, he is confirming his lack of trustworthiness by ‘lying’! A good lawyer should be able to get this joker punted because of his frivolous lawsuit.
9 posted on 09/10/2014 5:53:17 AM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was blind but now I see...)
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To: moovova

Phew! I thought you had to be gay to enter the military nowadays. Sounds like FFRF is running amok again. A female Ebenezer Scrooge running an athiest organization that doesn’t understand it’s “freedom OF religion” not FROM...or maybe she does and preys on people’s ignorance and stupidity...


10 posted on 09/10/2014 5:53:35 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: C19fan

An atheist could swear;

So help me___________?

Or maybe just,

Whatever.


11 posted on 09/10/2014 5:54:27 AM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt ("When you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: C19fan

Atheist must swear to God


The important thing is that it’s not the moral equivalent of forcing a Christian to swear to Allah or anything like that. An Atheist gets to make up his own morals, so he can swear to anyone or anything he wants if it gets him what he seeks. There is no moral problem whatsoever.


12 posted on 09/10/2014 5:54:48 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: MrB

DANG! We’re redundant AGAIN!


13 posted on 09/10/2014 5:55:16 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: jsanders2001

But certainly freedom of religion includes the freedom
not to believe in a supreme being. Does the oath exclude Hindus and other faiths who believe in many gods?


14 posted on 09/10/2014 5:57:57 AM PDT by Maine Mariner
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To: C19fan
Wow... He doesn't want to take an oath to God. No problem. His choice. He also doesn't have to serve in the Military. If he were to be captured by Muslims they would make him swear to their god and still lop off his brainless head.
If he cannot take an oath to his creator then he has no business serving in any branch of a military that has traditionally been the finest military in the world and one that has sworn to God since before our nation's inception.

I say cut the idiot loose and cursed be the ambulance chasers that are encouraging this mindless schmuck to waist the tax-payer's money to defend our military from this idiot.

JMHO

15 posted on 09/10/2014 5:59:29 AM PDT by Whats-wrong-with-the-truth
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To: Whats-wrong-with-the-truth

So would you apply a religious test to other government positions? The Constitution explicitly prohibits a religious test for gov’t offices and it is clear the spirit of the law would apply to members of the military.


16 posted on 09/10/2014 6:08:25 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: C19fan

Everyone has a “god” of some kind.

If he’s an atheist, he’d really just be swearing to himself.


17 posted on 09/10/2014 6:09:14 AM PDT by JudyinCanada
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To: C19fan

I would be surprised if FDR was the first President to add “...so help me God.” But since it isn’t in the oaths contained in the text of the Constitution, I’m surprised it has been inserted into other oaths.

On the other hand, how many people would be willing to bet that the Constitution guarantees everyone “a jury of his peers”?


18 posted on 09/10/2014 6:09:27 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: MrB

“Why the fuss?”

For many years every one who was sworn into the military whether EM or officer has taken oaths and you do say God.

Anyone who disagrees and wants to change this is another threat to America as you are part of the group who is destroying America. Just recently a military man with 24 years of duty took his daughter to school on the first day. He had his uniform on and was denied entrance into the school by a security type. This is where the refusal to say God leads to. Add the local fireman who ordered every US flag in town to include flags on private property taken down. He is another anti American POS. I want this country back the way it was, and; not what Obama and liberal clowns and the so called minority want/s. This clown basically is desecrating those who died upholding that oath.


19 posted on 09/10/2014 6:09:28 AM PDT by Lumper20 ( clown in Chief has own Gov employees Gestapo)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

Having lied in the past is not a license to lie forever after. Especially if under oath or taking an oath!

He’s going to win in a walk.


20 posted on 09/10/2014 6:12:08 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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