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Senate Update A Fresh Look at the Changed Race in Kansas
FiveThirtyEight ^ | September 8, 2014 | Harry Enten and Walt Hickey

Posted on 09/09/2014 10:10:55 AM PDT by centurion316

The biggest poll of the day came in Kansas, where SurveyUSA found independent candidate Greg Orman ahead of Republican Sen. Pat Roberts 37 percent to 36 percent. Notably, Democrat Chad Taylor, who has dropped out of the race but remains on the ballot, pulled in 10 percent. Roberts’s support has barely budged, but Orman’s backing has almost doubled.

Importantly, SurveyUSA informed voters that Taylor no longer appeared to want to run. That means Orman may not gain much more ground in the polls when voters realize on their own that Taylor ceased his campaign. Orman has more upside with the group voting for Taylor. At the same time, however, 26 percent of Republicans are voting for Orman. Can that hold up as voters learn more about Orman’s center-left track record?

FiveThirtyEight’s model indicates the race is too close to call: Roberts has a 54 percent chance of winning. That’s because the forecast takes into account “fundamentals” — factors such as Kansas’s Republican leaning electorate — which the model weights along with the polling.

Previously, the forecast had been using the state fundamentals estimate along with an earlier Public Policy Polling (PPP) survey, which had put Orman 10 points ahead of Roberts in a (hypothetical) head-to-head matchup. On that basis, the model had projected the race as a tossup, slightly tilting toward Roberts — about the same as it does now with the SurveyUSA poll also included.

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: election; kansas; senate
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First update on Kansas. Other races also discussed.
1 posted on 09/09/2014 10:10:55 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: centurion316

The election is 56 days away, and Republicans still can’t truthfully say what they stand for. And they say Obama is incompetent . . .


2 posted on 09/09/2014 10:15:14 AM PDT by Hoodat (Article 4, Section 4)
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To: centurion316

Roberts needs to ask over and over and over again who Orman will support to lead the senate. He’s got to tie Orman to Harry Reid and Obama.


3 posted on 09/09/2014 10:17:03 AM PDT by boycott
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To: centurion316

Sadly Orman is the only legitimate candidate running as most in KS believe Roberts doesn’t live here. Roberts, much like Thad Chochran in MS, should have stepped aside. No one needs to be in Washington that long.


4 posted on 09/09/2014 10:27:16 AM PDT by Zenot
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To: centurion316

Perhaps the odds are that Roberts wins, but certainly their are Kansans seriously polling against him, not motivated to prop him up.

So, who are these Kansans?

The Establishment has scorned the conservative base, from coast to coast.

The base may be saying to the Estabs, “Miss us yet?”


5 posted on 09/09/2014 10:27:22 AM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Zenot

Orman is hardly a legitimate candidate. He is a Democrat pretending to be an Independent so that he can fool Independents and Republicans into voting for him. He’s an empty suit as far a policy goes, he just thinks that “Washington is broken”. He is a defendant in a lawsuit that concerns his business affairs. He’s quit before when the going got tough.


6 posted on 09/09/2014 10:35:49 AM PDT by centurion316
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There has been a new development in the Greg Orman camp. Looks like Orman and his former business group is being sued by Everlast World's Boxing Headquarters Corp. for 30 million dollars. Notice how the local news did not add Orman's name in the title?

Boxing firm has suit against Kansas Senate hopeful

CGato

7 posted on 09/09/2014 10:44:21 AM PDT by Conservative Gato
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Orman is hardly a legitimate candidate. He is a Democrat pretending to be an Independent so that he can fool Independents and Republicans into voting for him. He’s an empty suit as far a policy goes, he just thinks that “Washington is broken”. He is a defendant in a lawsuit that concerns his business affairs. He’s quit before when the going got tough.

He stated in the recent debates that he would caucus with the party in power in the Senate. That's not even leadership but I seriously doubt he would caucus with the republicans if they were to take power. I never trusted him from the beginning.

CGato

8 posted on 09/09/2014 10:48:46 AM PDT by Conservative Gato
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To: Conservative Gato

He has no intention of joining with the Republicans in any way. He’s a liberal Democrat, just lying to get disgruntled Republican votes.


9 posted on 09/09/2014 10:57:57 AM PDT by centurion316
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The antidote will have to be high profile Roberts endorsements from Cruz / Paul / Palin etc. The Rs better not go all Stupid Party on us now.


10 posted on 09/09/2014 11:22:25 AM PDT by denydenydeny ("World History is not full of good governments, or of good voters either "--P.J. O'Rourke)
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I can't help but be glad these DC Pubs who systematically undercut the Tea Party are in trouble. I hope they lose and the Pubs don't get the Senate.

I think winning the Senate might be the worst thing. If the GOPe wins the Senate they will do everything possible to look like they are getting things done. In order to do this they will have to give obama everything he wants.

11 posted on 09/09/2014 11:44:21 AM PDT by wmfights
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I will not shed one tear if the GOPe loose this one! These old has been’s have to go!!!


12 posted on 09/09/2014 12:09:59 PM PDT by qman (The communist usurper must go!)
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Is Harry Reid an old has been?


13 posted on 09/09/2014 12:11:35 PM PDT by centurion316
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KS polls are always taken in RAT urban areas.


14 posted on 09/09/2014 12:15:20 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: wmfights

A brilliant political analysis. We win by losing. That’s so much easier to do and it’s cheaper to boot. As losers, we are free to sit in the corner and complain about everything and can never be held accountable for what’s broken. Harry Reid will get all the blame. Maybe we could take this approach in the House as well?


15 posted on 09/09/2014 12:16:03 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: qman

Let’s hear it for Dingy Harry!!!!
Yeah, let’s let the damn dems keep killing America.


16 posted on 09/09/2014 12:17:14 PM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: ozzymandus

Kansas polls, as are all others, done in all area codes. People in urban areas tend to have fewer land lines, more call screening and are less polite about answering annoying polling calls. Rural areas tend to respond better to traditional polling methods. Polls try to correct for this which is where the special sauce comes in. Just how special depends on where you sit.


17 posted on 09/09/2014 12:19:22 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: boycott
Roberts needs to ask over and over and over again who Orman will support to lead the senate. He’s got to tie Orman to Harry Reid and Obama.

Orman has said that who he caucuses with will depend on which party is in the majority. How well that deflects the question remains to be seen.

18 posted on 09/09/2014 12:27:43 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: centurion316
Orman is hardly a legitimate candidate.

He's legitimate enough to be outpolling Roberts. He had a debate with him the other day and in response to Robert's claim that "You elected me to go to Washington, I went to Washington" Orman pointed out that he's probably been to Dodge City more often this year than Roberts has. So he knows how to poke at Roberts' sore spots.

He’s an empty suit as far a policy goes, he just thinks that “Washington is broken”.

You just described a lot of Republicans running.

19 posted on 09/09/2014 12:31:13 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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Let’s hear it for Dingy Harry!!!! Yeah, let’s let the damn dems keep killing America.

No kidding, these people have no clue all the shenanigans going on in this senate race. I do understand the frustration with DC but Roberts votes conservative far more than anything else. I have my own frustrations with him but it's not worth allowing the liberals to steal this under the guise of running Greg Orman as an independent.

"Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me".

This is just typical liberal democrat strategies, deceive the American people just like they did with 0bama to get him elected twice. They are trying to deceive the people of Kansas in order to try to keep the senate. Screw that, I smelled a rat when Orman was spending all kinds of money on ads, during the primaries. Only to find out he ran as a democrat against Roberts in 2008 before pulling out.

We can't afford to be fooled again like what happened with 0bama.

CGato

20 posted on 09/09/2014 12:31:17 PM PDT by Conservative Gato
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