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Putin 'urges talks on statehood for east Ukraine' (Putin Toughens Position)
BBC News ^ | 08/31/2014 | BBC News

Posted on 08/31/2014 4:31:13 AM PDT by goldstategop

President Putin has called for talks to discuss "statehood" for eastern Ukraine, Russian media report.

He said the issue needed to be discussed to ensure the interests of local people "are definitely upheld".

His comments came after the EU gave Russian a one-week ultimatum to reverse course in Ukraine or face sanctions.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: bbcnews; europeanunion; nato; novorossiya; presidentputin; russia; statehood; sudetenland; terrorism; ukraine
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Yes, but I don’t really see any messages from them in the Russian threads; all I see are people who are insisting that the Putin-lovers are growing.


161 posted on 08/31/2014 9:08:08 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: Nextrush

{OBAMACARE IS A BAILOUT FOR THE HEALTHCARE INDUSTRY]

My recollection I that the health care industry was in good shape prior at that time. I could be wrong, of course.


162 posted on 08/31/2014 9:41:00 PM PDT by chooseascreennamepat
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To: Krosan
Poland is already sending Soviet era weapons systems to Ukraine.Tanka, APC and other. A lot of it ended in the hands of Novorussian army.

Also, the total number of downed aircraft is larger than Ukrainian AF.

One may ask - where huge stock of Soviet era weapons Ukraine inherited from USSR?

Much of it was sold all over the world to different conflict zones, often in violation of UN sanctions. That's how oligarchs got rich, not by selling chocolate bars for sure.

163 posted on 08/31/2014 10:34:58 PM PDT by DTA
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To: DTA

...”Much of it was sold all over the world to different conflict zones”.....

Of course, and par for the course for Ukraine. ..and they STILL have Oligarchs running the show. As for the UN who heeds them anyway.


164 posted on 08/31/2014 10:38:15 PM PDT by caww
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
<<<<< You wanted to say and a strong National Socialist spirit.

Waffen SS, Babi Yar and their own version of Hitler.

That nationalist socialist spirit is alive AZOV brigade made up of Ukrainian Nazis and Neo Nazis coming from Europe.

165 posted on 08/31/2014 10:59:45 PM PDT by DTA
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To: DTA

I wouldn’t forget about all of the racist attacks so-called “hate crimes” that have happened in Russia and I wouldn’t forget the holodomo either. Russia has its own neo-Nazis.


166 posted on 08/31/2014 11:51:55 PM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: chooseascreennamepat

One thing for sure, making everybody buy more expensive health insurance increases cash flow to the health insurance industry, doesn’t it.

That what Obamacare did for individuals.

Romney said the reason everyone had to buy insurance was because of “deadbeats” not paying bills.

My Republican governor signed off on the Medicaid expansion part of Obamacare for Pennsylvania last week. It means more money flowing into private insurance companies contracting with the state and then more money flowing into hospitals as well.

Florida Governor Rick Scott, who comes from the hospital industry, also signed off on Medicaid expansion under Obamacare in his state.

More money for health insurance companies and hospitals is what I see and with my gov up for re-elect, I see campaign contributions from the private insurers who contract with state for Medicaid.


167 posted on 09/01/2014 6:12:24 AM PDT by Nextrush (OBAMACARE IS A BAILOUT FOR THE HEALTHCARE INDUSTRY)
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To: Drew68

And Russia’s negotiating position (certainly with Europe) gets stronger the closer things get to winter (hint: natural gas and oil).


168 posted on 09/01/2014 6:26:45 AM PDT by quesney (e)
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To: dfwgator

Putin believes he has only until 2016 to accomplish whatever he can.


And his negotiating position (certainly with Europe) gets stronger the closer we get to winter (hint: natural gas).


169 posted on 09/01/2014 6:28:58 AM PDT by quesney (e)
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To: chooseascreennamepat

+1


170 posted on 09/01/2014 7:07:31 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

~Who says they would be replaced by a dictator? And what’s wrong with an anti-Communist dictator? I much prefer them over Pro-Communist dictators, in the end~

What is communist by your book, puny?


171 posted on 09/01/2014 8:21:35 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: 1rudeboy
"No, I remember a post from a few days back where you called the E. Ukrainians “usually sane” (or something), and mocked the W. Ukrainians for wanting “freedom.”

Sine, contrary to your moniker, you're not being rude I would like to elaborate.

I am not an expert in Ukrainian history having spent only two afternoons on Wikipedia.

But, from what I read the East didn't adopt a Fascist party or align with the Nazi's in the 40's, and didn't participate in the Anti-Semitic pogroms.

Thus the "usually sane". Maybe it's because they were always under Moscow's boot.

As for the comment on the west having "freedom", nobody in Ukraine has ever had freedom. Evan their free elections are usually corrupt, or, when not corrupt, lead to anti-republican power seizure by the winner.

It's a part of the world that's a LONG ways from Rule of Law. It always has been, and my always be "Rule by Man".

Like most of the rest of the world.

172 posted on 09/01/2014 8:43:14 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: free_life
"I think it is clear which one of us understand what Reagan’s policy would be regarding Russia today, and it is not you."

If you would bother to look at my posting history you will not see a single pro-Russian quote.

Why do you continue to lie? Is it congenital, or just when you're being emotional and irrational?

173 posted on 09/01/2014 8:45:45 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner
Ok, then I misunderstood . . . I'm not worried about it.

One word of advice, if you are a newcomer to the Ukraine threads (just an example, bear with me--I'm not suggesting that you are anything). Emotions tend to run high, because we do have some here who favor Russia over the U.S., and prefer to post Russian mis/disinformation just to rile everyone up.

Problem is when a conservative in the Buchanan-mold (again, not saying that you are) shows up, and notes that the Russian mis/disinformation dovetails with his opinions (and it's designed to be just that). He then, in turn, gets lumped-in with the Russians--even though the situation is foreign [pun intended] to him.

174 posted on 09/01/2014 8:53:43 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: BeadCounter; palmer
Before Iraq, wars were things the Democrats always got into for the most part, Vietnam, Korea and so on. And Gulf War I conceivably was justified but I remember Conservatives who certainly didn't want to even go to that.

Conservatives should support smart policies and not get trapped into formulas where "Okay, we're always isolationists" or "Okay, let's kill them off, take their land, and go their for vacation (for no reason)".

There is nothing wrong with supporting Ukraine with better weapons and economic help to keep them from collapsing, and I'll give a good reason why: the Russkies are apparently already talking about doing this to Latvia (a small NATO country) using the whole "separatist" angle. Latvia has a large Russian population, although the majority do not support separatism (though the Russians are already putting out anti-Latvian propaganda). Ukraine did not have a majority of Pro-separatists either. It had only a minority within a minority in the East and South, and the only place where it closed in on having a large population of separatist support was in Crimea. Yet, obviously, this did not stop Russia from lying their butts off and invading Ukraine under the cover of a rebellion.

This is why Russia must be stopped here and now, otherwise it will just keep on happening, and this with the potential of destroying the NATO alliance if the United States does not act when Russia begins testing us in NATO countries using the same strategy.

The dissolution of NATO has been a primary Russian objective since the cold war. If the West is divided against a united totalitarian bloc headed by Russia, we are doomed.

175 posted on 09/01/2014 11:34:28 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
This is why Russia must be stopped here and now, otherwise it will just keep on happening, and this with the potential of destroying the NATO alliance if the United States does not act when Russia begins testing us in NATO countries using the same strategy.

You mean the NATO that attacked Serbia in support of Muslim insurgents in Serbia? Give me a break.

176 posted on 09/01/2014 11:41:27 AM PDT by palmer (This comment is not approved or cleared by FDA)
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To: palmer

Can you explain why you are not concerned about continued Russian aggression (and Ukraine isn’t even the first victim to the “separatist” ploy) and direct threats against NATO? Do you want NATO dissolved? Yes, no?


177 posted on 09/01/2014 11:52:00 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Mad Vlad is going to start WW3 sooner or later


178 posted on 09/01/2014 11:53:04 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: palmer
I am starting to see what this is really about. From the news about a week ago "Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has appointed Crimean Tatar leader and Ukrainian MP Mustafa Jemilev as his representative on Crimean Tatar affairs."

The Crimean Muslims are naturally upset over the Russian takeover. They have lots of political support in Ukraine. Ukraine is a province of the original Ottoman Empire then divided up between Russia and Austria-Hungary. It was briefly independent before the Russians moved back in and create the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist state. The Tatars never got a vote in any of that, but now they are seeing their opportunity.

Ironic that for the second time in history, the NATO military threat is being proposed to support Sunni Muslims (the moderate kind although that is relative). NATO has never been used for any other purpose but to back up the Muslims.

179 posted on 09/01/2014 11:57:26 AM PDT by palmer (This comment is not approved or cleared by FDA)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

I would have dissolved NATO in 1999,


180 posted on 09/01/2014 11:58:12 AM PDT by palmer (This comment is not approved or cleared by FDA)
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