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Donbas Insurgent Leader Confirms: Thousands of Russian Army Soldiers Fighting in Ukraine (video)
Ukraine Today ^ | Aug 28, 2014 | Ukraine Today

Posted on 08/28/2014 7:42:34 AM PDT by GeronL

Ukraine Today:

A militant leader in Ukraine's eastern city of Donetsk has admitted that Russian soldiers are fighting among his forces in the insurgency. Alexander Zakharchenko, the prime minister of the so-called Donetsk People's Republic, told Russian media that between 3,000 and 4,000 Russian soldiers on leave from their posts have been fighting in the insurgency.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Russia
KEYWORDS: invasion; russia; ukraine; war
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Up to 15,000 Russian soldiers in Ukraine: Russian Mothers Group

Up to 15,000 Russian army soldiers are already fighting in Ukraine, according to Valentina Melnikova, the head of the Union of Russian soldiers' mothers. According to a statement released by the NGO, Russian soldiers are now being deployed to east Ukraine in large numbers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bkv6MKClCo&list=PLhllJve-_Zgj-AF9HlTF38oVUqtJuSu6W&index=4

1 posted on 08/28/2014 7:42:34 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL

Back home they are trying to hide the Russian Dead


2 posted on 08/28/2014 7:45:57 AM PDT by molson209 (Blank)
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To: GeronL

Russia has been pushing a little at a time to see what they can get away with for months now. It won’t be long before they drop all pretense and just take what they want how they want.


3 posted on 08/28/2014 7:47:36 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: molson209

Ukraine PM Yatsenyuk calls for emergency UN meeting; asking that all Russian assets be frozen until Russian troops are pulled back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7dF3ZWWZ_I&index=1&list=PLhllJve-_Zgj-AF9HlTF38oVUqtJuSu6W

Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk has called for an emergency meeting of the United Nations Security Council and asked the international community to freeze the assets of Russia as Moscow launches a full-scale military invasion of south-east Ukraine using regular Russian army forces.


4 posted on 08/28/2014 7:48:38 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: skeeter

I think the pretense has worn really thin right now. I also think Putin has not been happy that the rebels couldn’t move the front without RUS soldiers doing the real fighting.


5 posted on 08/28/2014 7:50:04 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: skeeter

“It won’t be long before they drop all pretense and just take what they want how they want.”

If Russia openly invaded Ukraine at this point, they would be doing Ukraine a favor.

Winter is coming, the economy has collapsed, and the trees are already starting to turn.


6 posted on 08/28/2014 7:56:54 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: GeronL

How do you go for the lie that they are on vacation from their posts?

Some will defend this


7 posted on 08/28/2014 7:57:07 AM PDT by reefdiver (The fool says there is no God. And the bigger fools sees direct evidence and rages against it.)
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To: GeronL

“asking that all Russian assets be frozen until Russian troops are pulled back.”

Good luck with that. No, really...

Europe already wants this thing over, the Russian counter-sanctions are now inflicting real pain on economies already sliding into another recession, and at least two have said they won’t participate in any more sanctions against Russia. (Finland, Slovakia)

Russia’s rumored next round of counter-sanctions could cost
Germany 55,000 jobs by banning car imports from “Sanctioning nations”.

And we aren’t even up to the level of lowered gas exports, yet.

Ukraine has cried wolf about a “Russian Invasion!” so many times now that the Euros have tired of it.


8 posted on 08/28/2014 8:01:49 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf
A little tidbit I hadn't heard mentioned elsewhere.

Protesters try to burst into the Ukrainian Defense Ministry in Kiev on Aug. 28 as they rally to demand help for volunteer troops surrounded by pro-Russia militants in the small city of Izvaryne, a suburb of Donetsk.

http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-ukraine-president-russian-forces-20140828-story.html

9 posted on 08/28/2014 8:06:01 AM PDT by McGruff (You can lead a human to knowledge but you can't make him think)
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To: tcrlaf

cried wolf?

The Russians are invading Ukraine. They got tired of this “rebel” pretext, even with the influx of neo-nazi’s from Europe, and the regular Russian army has moved the front very fast since then.


10 posted on 08/28/2014 8:06:07 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: reefdiver

They are not on vacation from their posts. The captured Russian soldiers say they were ordered there.


11 posted on 08/28/2014 8:07:02 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: GeronL

“The Russians are invading Ukraine”

If the Russians were openly invading Ukraine, we’d be talking about the Battle of Kiev right now. And the Battle of Lvov following that tonight.

Russia knows they can send in “Volunteers” in reasonable numbers now, because Obama and Europe are trying to distance themselves from the Kiev Regime (For a whole bunch of reasons, from economic to imagery), which has shot itself in the foot.

When Russia DIRECTED western Journalists to watch equipment going across the border, and the western reaction was mute, that should have been your first clue.


12 posted on 08/28/2014 8:10:44 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

volunteers who are ordered there in their armored tank columns....

there is a word for that


13 posted on 08/28/2014 8:13:59 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: tcrlaf; All

BREAKING: UN SC will hold emergency meeting at 2 pm to discuss Ukraine


14 posted on 08/28/2014 8:15:00 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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15 posted on 08/28/2014 8:16:39 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

16 posted on 08/28/2014 8:19:17 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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17 posted on 08/28/2014 8:19:29 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: tcrlaf

Yeah, the UN Security Council will put a stop to this, just like Obama said they would when Russia invaded Georgia.


18 posted on 08/28/2014 8:22:04 AM PDT by william clark (Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: GeronL; tcrlaf

“Cried wolf” is a relative term.

The Ukrainians have been claiming they have been invaded for months (and they have been) but the media (here) has been covering this up for the most part to shield the Boy King. The Euros also don’t want a full blown conflict with Russia so they too have been turning a blind eye.

Putin knows all this and has been using this, what amounts to Ukraine “crying wolf”, to his advantage. Again, he’s playing chess while Obama is playing checkers.

It’s going to get a lot messier before any better (if ever). Wars have started for a lot, lot less.


19 posted on 08/28/2014 8:24:42 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: GeronL; Berlin_Freeper; annalex; Monterrosa-24
My Theory of how all this ends since the begging of this crisis still stands.

We will end up with a "East/West Ukraine" Scenario.

The Russians will take everything East of the Dnieper River. How they will connect to Transnistria, I don't know.

But the Western Portion of Ukraine (including Volhynia, Podolia, Galicia) Will stay independent and forge closer relations with the West, maybe even join the European Union.

20 posted on 08/28/2014 8:27:41 AM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.- Sarah Palin)
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To: tcrlaf
Can I try to talk logic here?

Winter is coming. The MidEast could easily go up in flames. Europe needs oil, even if Ukraine thinks it doesn't. The Kiev "gov" is still irritating its minorities, trying to provoke a world war to save their coup.

A look at the map...if Russia has that eastern stretch of Ukraine, it provides a landbridge to Crimea. It gives great access to the Black Sea, so Ukraine becomes near irrelevant in getting fuel to Europe.

The West logically should stop babysitting in Ukraine. The US and Europe have a real problem to deal with now. That would be Muslim terrorism spreading into the US and Europe. Even our leaders can't be dumb enough to encourage another war. Besides with, if Turkey gets weird, Russia controlling that Black Sea access might be a real good idea.

Just trying to think logically. Correct me, please, where I err.

21 posted on 08/28/2014 8:28:45 AM PDT by grania
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To: KC_Lion

I hope not. I hope the Russians get their butts kicked but that isn’t likely since they are now sending in whole tank battalions.


22 posted on 08/28/2014 8:29:41 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: KC_Lion

In hindsight, a Czechoslovak-like “Velvet Divorce” may have been for the best back in the 90s.


23 posted on 08/28/2014 8:30:00 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: KC_Lion

“The Russians will take everything East of the Dnieper River”

In the beginning, that was my call, as well. But now I think that area may not include Kharkov, and be a narrow area based on Meltipol.

“Ukraine” will be what is left, with Odessa as the port. For several reasons, I don’t think this is going to include Hungarian Ruthenia, either.

As long as the people pulling the strings in Kiev remain in power, it’s going to continue downhill, I fear. Note that I’m NOT talking about Poroshenko. It’s pretty clear now that he’s got a gun to his head if he doesn’t play along with the radicals.


24 posted on 08/28/2014 8:40:27 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

Ukraine should have kept their nukes and flattened Moscow


25 posted on 08/28/2014 8:42:25 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: tcrlaf

lolz

The people in Kiev are not the ones ordering in the Russian army.


26 posted on 08/28/2014 8:43:01 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: GeronL

Look. The Russian soldiers are on vacation, right? No one can control what they do on vacation. Leave them alone, instead of a beach, they are going to a war.


27 posted on 08/28/2014 8:43:35 AM PDT by Lazamataz (First we beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them.)
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To: GeronL

“Ukraine should have kept their nukes”

Ukraine being Ukraine, they likely would not have kept their nukes, but sold them to the highest bidders. Under the table, of course.


28 posted on 08/28/2014 8:44:03 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: grania
Just trying to think logically. Correct me, please, where I err.

Obama.

Your argument is defeated.

29 posted on 08/28/2014 8:44:28 AM PDT by Lazamataz (First we beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them.)
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To: tcrlaf

right... and Russia is not the biggest arms exporter on the planet either??


30 posted on 08/28/2014 8:49:39 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: GeronL

Depending on how it is quantified, by dollars, or tonnage, it goes back and forth between the US and Russia, with China’s weapons exports growing fast.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_industry#World.27s_largest_arms_exporters


31 posted on 08/28/2014 8:54:11 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

Crazy combat footage from Ilovaisk as “Motorola’s” unit clears the railroad station from the trapped Right-Sector Militia, I believe.

These are veterans of Slovyansk, commanded by a Slovyansk local. They are used as a “Fire Brigade”, and go where the toughest fighting is.
http://youtu.be/dLT9Mif_y-o


32 posted on 08/28/2014 9:16:47 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: KC_Lion

I agree.

Poroshenko will be forced out for conducting an unpopular war and Western Ukraine will move to join the EU and NATO.

Novorossiya and Transnistria will join Putin’s trading and defense bloc.


33 posted on 08/28/2014 9:24:09 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: KC_Lion; GeronL; Berlin_Freeper; Monterrosa-24
The Russians will take everything East of the Dnieper River

They have the resources to do that, militarily. However, the past several months showed that pro-Russian sentiment is weak in the East. The insurgents did not have the population's support, and the Ukrainian Army was greeted as liberators everywhere where the insurgents were wiped out. If Russia annexes anything beyond Crimea at this point, they will have a guerrilla war on their hands.

I think, direct hostilities perpetrated by Russia will be the beginning of an end of the Putin's regime.

34 posted on 08/28/2014 9:27:33 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

Russia has no interest in any thing west of the Dnieper. It won’t annex Novorossiya; that will become another Kremlin client state linked up to Transnistria.

They’re resigned in Moscow to West Ukie independence. Wasting Russian lives retaking Kiev is not worth it.

This is a replay of Crimea but unlike Crimea, there is no good reason for Russia to annex Ukraine’s east outright. Putin also wants to keep Kiev on a short leash by keeping open the possibility some future Ukrainian leader might decide to join a Russian-dominated Ukrainian confederation.


35 posted on 08/28/2014 9:38:21 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

The assumption is that the non-Russian part of Ukraine won’t fall into chaos.

We saw the same thing happen to the rest of Czechoslovakia after Hitler took the Sudetenland.

Which is precisely why NATO should be prepared to move into Western Ukraine should the situation deteriorate there.


36 posted on 08/28/2014 9:40:46 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: goldstategop

The eastern part of Ukraine is the industrial heartland. The rest isn’t worth fighting for. It’s interesting the the IMF wouldn’t bailout Ukraine unless they put down the rebellion in the Eastern part. Which looks less and less likely as time goes on.


37 posted on 08/28/2014 9:45:18 AM PDT by McGruff (You can lead a human to knowledge but you can't make him think)
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View image on Twitter

 

In Donetsck, Russian soldiers strapped woman to a lamp-post because she overtly showed her patriotic attitude to Ukraine.  Then they talked passersby into beating and kicking her at will. 


38 posted on 08/28/2014 9:53:10 AM PDT by Matt_DZ_PL
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To: Matt_DZ_PL

The Russian ISIS continues


39 posted on 08/28/2014 9:53:52 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: McGruff

The Red Army is not rebellion


40 posted on 08/28/2014 9:54:33 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Matt_DZ_PL
You should Google Odessa Massacre.
41 posted on 08/28/2014 9:58:54 AM PDT by McGruff (You can lead a human to knowledge but you can't make him think)
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To: goldstategop
It won’t annex Novorossiya; that will become another Kremlin client state

That depends on the character of the newly emerged Putinist Russia. I think, they said goodbye to rational economic behavior long time ago and instead prefer territorial expansion at any cost. If Russia had been driven by this consideration they would have continued covert support to the insurgents and encouraged independent DNR/LNR. Instead they removed the charismatic rebel leaders such as Girkin and allowed the rebels to be nearly destroyed, before they intervened. That is classic Soviet maneuver: use local proletarian base to justify a military invasion, then get rid of leaders with independent streak and gain direct control. In a place like Angola the sovs had no alternative to setting up a satellite state, but since East Ukraine is contiguous, I think they decided on direct annexation.

42 posted on 08/28/2014 9:59:34 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: GeronL

Russian “Crystal Night” seems to be lurking...


43 posted on 08/28/2014 10:00:33 AM PDT by Matt_DZ_PL
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To: Matt_DZ_PL

Yes it is.


44 posted on 08/28/2014 10:07:28 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: annalex

The Russians want compliant leaders. Annexation is always an option depending on how the West reacts. Moscow does not want the rebels to have an option of not being allied with Russia. And as you pointed out, they will destroy or allow the Ukies to destroy for them any one who shows the slightest sign of independence.


45 posted on 08/28/2014 10:08:00 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: tcrlaf

The video shows them using RPGs as improvised mortar rounds. I have never seen that before. I did read that GIs in Italy during WW2 used their .50 cal rounds as improvised mortars by shooting them upwards.


46 posted on 08/28/2014 10:10:10 AM PDT by Mentallo (Better dead than Mohammed)
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To: annalex

Ukraine could wind up split into three states.

1. The part that goes to Russia.
2. “East” Ukraine with Kiev as the capital, and not aligned with EU/NATO
3. “West” Ukraine with Lviv as the capital, as part of EU/NATO.


47 posted on 08/28/2014 10:10:50 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: goldstategop

The invasion of Russia is ruthless.


48 posted on 08/28/2014 10:10:56 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: dfwgator

and Crimea which seems to be changing its mind all the time


49 posted on 08/28/2014 10:11:42 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: GeronL

I’m afraid they’re stuck with Russia.


50 posted on 08/28/2014 10:12:51 AM PDT by dfwgator
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