Skip to comments.Russian armored columns said to capture key Ukrainian town
Posted on 08/28/2014 7:36:36 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
KIEV, Ukraine Russian forces in two armored columns captured a key southeastern coastal town near the Russian border Thursday after Ukrainian forces retreated in the face of superior firepower, a Ukrainian military spokesman said.
The two Russian columns, including tanks and armored fighting vehicles, entered the town of Novoazovsk on the Sea of Azov after a battle in which Ukrainian army positions came under fire from Grad rockets launched from Russian territory, according to the spokesman, Col. Andriy Lysenko.
Our border servicemen and guardsmen retreated as they did not have heavy equipment, Lysenko said in a statement.
Ukrainian authorities have denounced the latest fighting as a Russian invasion of their territory, intended to prop up pro-Moscow separatists who have been losing ground to Ukrainian forces and to open a second front in the southeastern corner of Ukraine.
Ukrainian officials said earlier that Ukrainian troops were battling combined Russian and separatist forces on a new southern front around Novoazovsk, about eight miles west of the Russian border. The Ukrainian military also said Russian troops were increasing surveillance from northern Crimea, the autonomous Ukrainian peninsula annexed by Moscow in March.
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and the Russian apologists are still pretending there is no invasion. Amazing. Even the so-called “Prime Minister of the Donetsk People’s Republic” has admitted there are THOUSANDS of Russian regular army there.
So... are we going to honor our agreement from 1993 now that we’ve admired the fact that Russia is invading?
You've known that this was coming, Lysenko. Shame on you for not having "heavy equipment" at the ready and destroying the invaders before they could get a foothold.
Remembering the fact that the Ukrainian Army is underfunded and neglected, it’s doubtful that it could put up much of a fight against the Russians even if it was in top form.
To mention the fact Western Ukies hate Poroshenko for p*ssing away the lives of their sons to keep people in Ukraine who don’t want to be in the country.
Its one of those unpopular colonial wars that’s hemorrhaging him support and already calls for his resignation are being heard in Kiev. All of which suits Russia just fine.
Hold on. We have people in S. Texas and S. California who don’t want to be in the country. Worth “p*ssing away the lives” of Americans over?
Civil Wars rarely result in outright victories. The American Civil War is the exception.
Ukraine - Western Ukraine, is simply outmatched and outgunned by the more populous east, which enjoys the support of Russia. It never stood a chance of regaining control over the entire country.
People are going to demand the army cut its losses and pull out of the Donbass. Those same West Ukie soldiers who won’t bleed there will defend their home turf.
Which Putin won’t take.
This is not a civil war, this is a Russian invasion
Where are all those bottom feeders that listen to Alex Jones and think Putin is the second coming of Christ?
American’s impotence is disgusting, Europe’s helplessness is expected.
Kiev has been hiding the amount of casualties since this began, to keep up moral, but the lid is coming off of it now.
Families want to know where their kids are, that they haven’t heard from in weeks. They want to know why the kids of connected pols are exempt from conscription.
Kiev is claiming that only around 800-1,000 troops have been killed in the war, while the Rebels claimed in the Saturday News Conference that Kiev had actually taken 12,000 killed, 19,000 wounded, and 4,000 “Missing”, that they said most of whom are “assuredly dead”.
The truth is likely somewhere between them, but there is no doubt that Kiev has refused to acknowledge the casualties they are taking, and now it is beginning to cause real unrest.
This isn’t North Korea, they get the internet in Lvov, too.
If the Ukrainian government breaks down....do they risk the Russians moving in and taking over the entire country, or do the Poles decide to take action and move into Western Ukraine to stabilize things there?
Things could get real dicey real quickly.
The USA has no such agreement with the Ukraine.The memorandum (if that is what you are in reference to) signed when the Ukraine gave up its nukes is just that, a memorandum and is not a treaty or akin to a treaty in any way.
Most in the east don't want to leave Ukraine and don't want to be part of Russia.
Your above description excluding the part about Russian support is wrong.
That is complete crap.
There is no “civil war”. This is a 100% Russians engineered terrorist operation, which just evolved into a war of aggression against Ukraine. This is about as much a civil war as 9/11 was.
The US needs to give Ukraine massive military aide, there need to be mountains of dead Russian soldiers, and explosions going off all over Moscow and St. Petersburg. This a as clear cut case of good and evil as you will get in the 21st century, a people yearning to be free being devoured by power mad tyrant.
Death to Putin.
“If the Ukrainian government breaks down....do they risk the Russians moving in and taking over the entire country”
It would take some real breakdown of society for that to happen, I think. Russian money has subsidized Ukraine for two decades. IMO, Putin is more than happy to pawn off the corrupt and destitute Western Ukraine off on Europe. The real wealth is in the embattled areas of the East.
“do the Poles decide to take action and move into Western Ukraine to stabilize things there?”
It is far more likely that the Hungarians would move into Ruthenia, than the Poles would do anything.
The Hungarians have been fairly vocal about the forced conscription of Ethnic Hungarians. There has been protests and some unrest in that area in recent weeks. I posted an article about it some weeks back.
Western Ukraine can survive. Its a homogeneous country that is 80-90% Ukrainian-speaking.
It can live without the Donbass. For that reason, it can count on its soldiers to defend it from a Russian invasion.
And for the Russians, its not a geopolitical prize.
My guess is that Russia will want to occupy strategic parts of East and South Ukraine, create a land bridge to Crimea. Ukrainians gave the Nazis a hard time, Russia does not want to occupy more of Ukraine than is needed. I still hope Ukranians will develop an insurgency, my tax dollars should totally go to that.
Other people’s quarrels aren’t our business.
Its the local Hatfields vs. McCoys.
And no one is going to take on Russia. Its not important enough to make Obama stop his golf game.
“Western Ukraine can survive. Its a homogeneous country that is 80-90% Ukrainian-speaking.
It can live without the Donbass. For that reason, it can count on its soldiers to defend it from a Russian invasion.”
Or Ukranians can be men and not let Russia occupy half their country. They could slit the throat of any Ukranian citizen that cooperates with the invasion, and wage a bloody war of attrition against the invading army. That is what real men do.
Poroshenko can’t stop the Russian army.
And Afghan-style insurgency works only if the Russians are stupid enough to move into Western Ukraine.
Putin won’t take the bait.
Was this "agreement" submitted to the Senate for ratification?
No? Didn't think so.
The President cannot involve the united States in international disputes and conflicts without the binding authority conferred by the representatives of the several states.
I am not worried about Obama, I know he is useless. I am alot more upset with the Ron Paul/Code Pink wing of the GOP that say that other nations quarrels are not our own. That attitude would have us all speaking German or Russian decades ago. Isolationism is cowardice. Free nations should be lions fighting tyranny not scared little kittens.
Meanwhile the Russian ISIS moves ever westward
When a third of your citizens speak Russian and the border with Russia is effectively non-existent - fighting them is an uphill battle.
The reality is Ukraine is fracturing along linguistic lines. Everything east of the Dnieper is already good as gone.
Poland cannot sit idly by if for nothing else, they don’t want a bunch of Ukrainians fleeing into Poland.
Poles and Ukrainians are good neighbors, but you don’t want them both to be under the same roof.
Eastern Ukraine is full of ethnic Ukrainians, Russians are just a sizable minority almost everywhere and many of them are neutral about the conflict. Russian invasion of Eastern Ukraine will mean millions of ethnic Ukrainians living under occupation.
They’re Russified and have the Orthodox religion and Russian culture.
The further west you go, things look quite different.
I think the Russians want to be rid of Galicia. Once Lemberg and its hinterlands are gone, the whole thing becomes much more manageable.
The (really, really) big question in all of this is, once it becomes clear that Ukraine in its present form is finished, is Germany going to cooperate in rearranging the pieces on the board between the Oder and the Dnieper?
Lemberg was never really Polish (Lwow only lasted a few years). Maybe it can become an EU protectorate? That really depends on whether or not Putin is done once the Ukraine thing is over, or whether he wants the Baltics, too.
If he's content for Estonia and Latvia to be in the EU, he'll probably be fine with Galicia being in the EU as well.
“When a third of your citizens speak Russian and the border with Russia is effectively non-existent - fighting them is an uphill battle.”
keeping putin out of ukraine would have been tough even if the west had highly competent and effective leadership... instead we have obama and the eu
Russia is quite content to divide Ukraine. It would rather keep it under its thumb but barring that it takes the spoils in NovoRossiya.
The West can figure out how to prop up a bankrupt Kiev and Lvov.
And with winter fast approaching, the real fun is just beginning.
I doubt the Poles will move unless an agreement is made with Germany. Simply put, the Poles have their own border to defend.
Those armored tank battalions lost their way and accidently took over a city and they somehow are all volunteers and bought their tanks and equipment at Wal-Mart in Donetsk or something.
In his books (which you can find for free, don’t send the guy money) he talks of letting that sliver of Russia on the Baltic to Germany.
I fear that Dugin’s works will be remembered as the warning no one wanted to see.
If you believe Putin, no one in Russia is involved and everything was rented at the Donetsk Walmart.
The man is no dummy and knows the value of plausible denialbility.
Heck the Hungarians would take all of Slovakia if they could.
We are entering into an unstable period.
who finds that plausible??
“with winter fast approaching, the real fun is just beginning.”
That is the real key to all of this, isn’t it?
The Kiev government is already shutting off the power in the rural areas for some hours everyday to save gas. They are just weeks away from the cold weather beginning, and the rainy season.
They HAVE to make sizable gains now, or face another Maidan, this time with guns, as the people start starving and freezing this winter.
“We are entering into an unstable period”
We’ve been in one since about 18 months after Obama was elected.
Russian Army tank captured
I guess the tank was a “volunteer” too?
The coup that ousted the president is what weakened them and invited trouble in the first place. The coup was done in the name of making the country more pro-Western or pro-EU.... I wonder if Obama's community organizers were behind that one too.
Obama is not “pro-western” himself
“invited trouble”? They invited a Russian invasion by ousting a corrupt dictator who sent goons to kill peaceful demonstrators....
LOL—do you remember not too long ago, when our resident commie-symps were assuring us that “Russia has no designs on the rest of Ukraine,” “there is no need for Russia to send troops,” and “the concerns of the Ukrainians are unfounded?”
Lwow had been part of Poland for centuries.