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Russian armored columns said to capture key Ukrainian town
WP ^ | August 28, 2014 | By Annie Gowen and Karoun Demirjian

Posted on 08/28/2014 7:36:36 AM PDT by 1rudeboy

KIEV, Ukraine — Russian forces in two armored columns captured a key southeastern coastal town near the Russian border Thursday after Ukrainian forces retreated in the face of superior firepower, a Ukrainian military spokesman said.

The two Russian columns, including tanks and armored fighting vehicles, entered the town of Novoazovsk on the Sea of Azov after a battle in which Ukrainian army positions came under fire from Grad rockets launched from Russian territory, according to the spokesman, Col. Andriy Lysenko.

“Our border servicemen and guardsmen retreated as they did not have heavy equipment,” Lysenko said in a statement.

Ukrainian authorities have denounced the latest fighting as a Russian invasion of their territory, intended to prop up pro-Moscow separatists who have been losing ground to Ukrainian forces and to open a “second front” in the southeastern corner of Ukraine.

Ukrainian officials said earlier that Ukrainian troops were battling combined Russian and separatist forces on a new southern front around Novoazovsk, about eight miles west of the Russian border. The Ukrainian military also said Russian troops were increasing surveillance from northern Crimea, the autonomous Ukrainian peninsula annexed by Moscow in March.

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Pity the Russians. They were just minding their own business until George Soros/Victoria Nuland/John McCain got involved.
/Borscht Brigade
1 posted on 08/28/2014 7:36:36 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

and the Russian apologists are still pretending there is no invasion. Amazing. Even the so-called “Prime Minister of the Donetsk People’s Republic” has admitted there are THOUSANDS of Russian regular army there.


2 posted on 08/28/2014 8:09:14 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: 1rudeboy

So... are we going to honor our agreement from 1993 now that we’ve admired the fact that Russia is invading?


3 posted on 08/28/2014 8:12:43 AM PDT by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: 1rudeboy
“Our border servicemen and guardsmen retreated as they did not have heavy equipment,” Lysenko said in a statement.

You've known that this was coming, Lysenko. Shame on you for not having "heavy equipment" at the ready and destroying the invaders before they could get a foothold.

4 posted on 08/28/2014 8:26:43 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: GeronL
My favorite apologist is the guy who swore up and down, "there's no proof . . . there's no proof" (as if the admissions by the rebel leaders didn't count), and then when he got his "proof," shrugged his shoulders and said, "well, wasn't it obvious?"
5 posted on 08/28/2014 8:27:14 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: JimRed

Remembering the fact that the Ukrainian Army is underfunded and neglected, it’s doubtful that it could put up much of a fight against the Russians even if it was in top form.


6 posted on 08/28/2014 8:29:05 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

lol


7 posted on 08/28/2014 8:30:01 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: 1rudeboy

To mention the fact Western Ukies hate Poroshenko for p*ssing away the lives of their sons to keep people in Ukraine who don’t want to be in the country.

Its one of those unpopular colonial wars that’s hemorrhaging him support and already calls for his resignation are being heard in Kiev. All of which suits Russia just fine.


8 posted on 08/28/2014 9:13:49 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

Hold on. We have people in S. Texas and S. California who don’t want to be in the country. Worth “p*ssing away the lives” of Americans over?


9 posted on 08/28/2014 9:21:11 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Civil Wars rarely result in outright victories. The American Civil War is the exception.

Ukraine - Western Ukraine, is simply outmatched and outgunned by the more populous east, which enjoys the support of Russia. It never stood a chance of regaining control over the entire country.

People are going to demand the army cut its losses and pull out of the Donbass. Those same West Ukie soldiers who won’t bleed there will defend their home turf.

Which Putin won’t take.


10 posted on 08/28/2014 9:30:44 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

This is not a civil war, this is a Russian invasion


11 posted on 08/28/2014 9:31:54 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: 1rudeboy

Where are all those bottom feeders that listen to Alex Jones and think Putin is the second coming of Christ?

American’s impotence is disgusting, Europe’s helplessness is expected.


12 posted on 08/28/2014 9:32:56 AM PDT by BurningOak (Live Free or Die)
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To: goldstategop

Kiev has been hiding the amount of casualties since this began, to keep up moral, but the lid is coming off of it now.

Families want to know where their kids are, that they haven’t heard from in weeks. They want to know why the kids of connected pols are exempt from conscription.

Kiev is claiming that only around 800-1,000 troops have been killed in the war, while the Rebels claimed in the Saturday News Conference that Kiev had actually taken 12,000 killed, 19,000 wounded, and 4,000 “Missing”, that they said most of whom are “assuredly dead”.

The truth is likely somewhere between them, but there is no doubt that Kiev has refused to acknowledge the casualties they are taking, and now it is beginning to cause real unrest.

This isn’t North Korea, they get the internet in Lvov, too.


13 posted on 08/28/2014 9:33:01 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

If the Ukrainian government breaks down....do they risk the Russians moving in and taking over the entire country, or do the Poles decide to take action and move into Western Ukraine to stabilize things there?

Things could get real dicey real quickly.


14 posted on 08/28/2014 9:36:05 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Bogey78O
So... are we going to honor our agreement from 1993 now that we’ve admired the fact that Russia is invading?

The USA has no such agreement with the Ukraine.The memorandum (if that is what you are in reference to) signed when the Ukraine gave up its nukes is just that, a memorandum and is not a treaty or akin to a treaty in any way.

15 posted on 08/28/2014 9:37:53 AM PDT by Mentallo (Better dead than Mohammed)
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To: goldstategop
Ukraine - Western Ukraine, is simply outmatched and outgunned by the more populous east, which enjoys the support of Russia.

Most in the east don't want to leave Ukraine and don't want to be part of Russia.

Your above description excluding the part about Russian support is wrong.

16 posted on 08/28/2014 9:38:15 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: goldstategop

That is complete crap.

There is no “civil war”. This is a 100% Russians engineered terrorist operation, which just evolved into a war of aggression against Ukraine. This is about as much a civil war as 9/11 was.

The US needs to give Ukraine massive military aide, there need to be mountains of dead Russian soldiers, and explosions going off all over Moscow and St. Petersburg. This a as clear cut case of good and evil as you will get in the 21st century, a people yearning to be free being devoured by power mad tyrant.

Death to Putin.


17 posted on 08/28/2014 9:40:25 AM PDT by BurningOak (Live Free or Die)
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To: dfwgator

“If the Ukrainian government breaks down....do they risk the Russians moving in and taking over the entire country”

It would take some real breakdown of society for that to happen, I think. Russian money has subsidized Ukraine for two decades. IMO, Putin is more than happy to pawn off the corrupt and destitute Western Ukraine off on Europe. The real wealth is in the embattled areas of the East.

“do the Poles decide to take action and move into Western Ukraine to stabilize things there?”

It is far more likely that the Hungarians would move into Ruthenia, than the Poles would do anything.

The Hungarians have been fairly vocal about the forced conscription of Ethnic Hungarians. There has been protests and some unrest in that area in recent weeks. I posted an article about it some weeks back.


18 posted on 08/28/2014 9:42:32 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: dfwgator

Western Ukraine can survive. Its a homogeneous country that is 80-90% Ukrainian-speaking.

It can live without the Donbass. For that reason, it can count on its soldiers to defend it from a Russian invasion.

And for the Russians, its not a geopolitical prize.


19 posted on 08/28/2014 9:43:07 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: BurningOak

bump


20 posted on 08/28/2014 9:43:51 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: dfwgator

My guess is that Russia will want to occupy strategic parts of East and South Ukraine, create a land bridge to Crimea. Ukrainians gave the Nazis a hard time, Russia does not want to occupy more of Ukraine than is needed. I still hope Ukranians will develop an insurgency, my tax dollars should totally go to that.


21 posted on 08/28/2014 9:44:49 AM PDT by BurningOak (Live Free or Die)
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To: BurningOak

Other people’s quarrels aren’t our business.

Its the local Hatfields vs. McCoys.

And no one is going to take on Russia. Its not important enough to make Obama stop his golf game.


22 posted on 08/28/2014 9:46:19 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

“Western Ukraine can survive. Its a homogeneous country that is 80-90% Ukrainian-speaking.

It can live without the Donbass. For that reason, it can count on its soldiers to defend it from a Russian invasion.”

Or Ukranians can be men and not let Russia occupy half their country. They could slit the throat of any Ukranian citizen that cooperates with the invasion, and wage a bloody war of attrition against the invading army. That is what real men do.


23 posted on 08/28/2014 9:47:15 AM PDT by BurningOak (Live Free or Die)
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To: BurningOak

Why?

Poroshenko can’t stop the Russian army.

And Afghan-style insurgency works only if the Russians are stupid enough to move into Western Ukraine.

Putin won’t take the bait.


24 posted on 08/28/2014 9:48:54 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Bogey78O
So... are we going to honor our agreement from 1993?

Was this "agreement" submitted to the Senate for ratification?

No? Didn't think so.

The President cannot involve the united States in international disputes and conflicts without the binding authority conferred by the representatives of the several states.

25 posted on 08/28/2014 9:49:24 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: goldstategop

I am not worried about Obama, I know he is useless. I am alot more upset with the Ron Paul/Code Pink wing of the GOP that say that other nations quarrels are not our own. That attitude would have us all speaking German or Russian decades ago. Isolationism is cowardice. Free nations should be lions fighting tyranny not scared little kittens.


26 posted on 08/28/2014 9:50:40 AM PDT by BurningOak (Live Free or Die)
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To: Jim Noble

Meanwhile the Russian ISIS moves ever westward


27 posted on 08/28/2014 9:51:07 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: BurningOak

bump


28 posted on 08/28/2014 9:51:46 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: BurningOak

When a third of your citizens speak Russian and the border with Russia is effectively non-existent - fighting them is an uphill battle.

The reality is Ukraine is fracturing along linguistic lines. Everything east of the Dnieper is already good as gone.


29 posted on 08/28/2014 9:51:58 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

Poland cannot sit idly by if for nothing else, they don’t want a bunch of Ukrainians fleeing into Poland.

Poles and Ukrainians are good neighbors, but you don’t want them both to be under the same roof.


30 posted on 08/28/2014 9:53:09 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: goldstategop

Eastern Ukraine is full of ethnic Ukrainians, Russians are just a sizable minority almost everywhere and many of them are neutral about the conflict. Russian invasion of Eastern Ukraine will mean millions of ethnic Ukrainians living under occupation.


31 posted on 08/28/2014 9:53:53 AM PDT by BurningOak (Live Free or Die)
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To: BurningOak

They’re Russified and have the Orthodox religion and Russian culture.

The further west you go, things look quite different.


32 posted on 08/28/2014 9:56:06 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: dfwgator
do they risk the Russians moving in and taking over the entire country, or do the Poles decide to take action and move into Western Ukraine to stabilize things there?

I think the Russians want to be rid of Galicia. Once Lemberg and its hinterlands are gone, the whole thing becomes much more manageable.

The (really, really) big question in all of this is, once it becomes clear that Ukraine in its present form is finished, is Germany going to cooperate in rearranging the pieces on the board between the Oder and the Dnieper?

Lemberg was never really Polish (Lwow only lasted a few years). Maybe it can become an EU protectorate? That really depends on whether or not Putin is done once the Ukraine thing is over, or whether he wants the Baltics, too.

If he's content for Estonia and Latvia to be in the EU, he'll probably be fine with Galicia being in the EU as well.

33 posted on 08/28/2014 9:56:52 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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“When a third of your citizens speak Russian and the border with Russia is effectively non-existent - fighting them is an uphill battle.”

keeping putin out of ukraine would have been tough even if the west had highly competent and effective leadership... instead we have obama and the eu


34 posted on 08/28/2014 10:01:29 AM PDT by Reverend Wright (Obama Presidency: if a jayvee team puts on Lakers uniforms that doesnÂ’t make them Kobe Bryant)
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To: Jim Noble

Russia is quite content to divide Ukraine. It would rather keep it under its thumb but barring that it takes the spoils in NovoRossiya.

The West can figure out how to prop up a bankrupt Kiev and Lvov.

And with winter fast approaching, the real fun is just beginning.


35 posted on 08/28/2014 10:02:02 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: dfwgator

I doubt the Poles will move unless an agreement is made with Germany. Simply put, the Poles have their own border to defend.


36 posted on 08/28/2014 10:05:15 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Those armored tank battalions lost their way and accidently took over a city and they somehow are all volunteers and bought their tanks and equipment at Wal-Mart in Donetsk or something.


37 posted on 08/28/2014 10:06:43 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Jim Noble

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Dugin

In his books (which you can find for free, don’t send the guy money) he talks of letting that sliver of Russia on the Baltic to Germany.

I fear that Dugin’s works will be remembered as the warning no one wanted to see.


38 posted on 08/28/2014 10:11:10 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: GeronL

If you believe Putin, no one in Russia is involved and everything was rented at the Donetsk Walmart.

The man is no dummy and knows the value of plausible denialbility.


39 posted on 08/28/2014 10:11:16 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: tcrlaf

Heck the Hungarians would take all of Slovakia if they could.


40 posted on 08/28/2014 10:12:08 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

We are entering into an unstable period.


41 posted on 08/28/2014 10:14:02 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: goldstategop

who finds that plausible??


42 posted on 08/28/2014 10:15:26 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: goldstategop

“with winter fast approaching, the real fun is just beginning.”

That is the real key to all of this, isn’t it?

The Kiev government is already shutting off the power in the rural areas for some hours everyday to save gas. They are just weeks away from the cold weather beginning, and the rainy season.

They HAVE to make sizable gains now, or face another Maidan, this time with guns, as the people start starving and freezing this winter.


43 posted on 08/28/2014 10:17:02 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: redgolum

“We are entering into an unstable period”

Entering?
We’ve been in one since about 18 months after Obama was elected.


44 posted on 08/28/2014 10:19:36 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: goldstategop; dfwgator

Russian Army tank captured

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUQZN26jgSo

I guess the tank was a “volunteer” too?


45 posted on 08/28/2014 10:19:39 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: dfwgator
If the Ukrainian government breaks down....do they risk the Russians moving in and taking over the entire country

The coup that ousted the president is what weakened them and invited trouble in the first place. The coup was done in the name of making the country more pro-Western or pro-EU.... I wonder if Obama's community organizers were behind that one too.

46 posted on 08/28/2014 10:23:15 AM PDT by Cementjungle
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Obama is not “pro-western” himself

“invited trouble”? They invited a Russian invasion by ousting a corrupt dictator who sent goons to kill peaceful demonstrators....


47 posted on 08/28/2014 10:30:00 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Cementjungle
How dare the Ukrainians align themselves with the West! On FR, we favor Sov . . . er, Russian hegemony (but don't dare call the Russians "globalists," the cognitive dissonance is too much to handle.
48 posted on 08/28/2014 10:41:06 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: GeronL

LOL—do you remember not too long ago, when our resident commie-symps were assuring us that “Russia has no designs on the rest of Ukraine,” “there is no need for Russia to send troops,” and “the concerns of the Ukrainians are unfounded?”


49 posted on 08/28/2014 10:47:10 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Jim Noble

Lwow had been part of Poland for centuries.


50 posted on 08/28/2014 10:51:23 AM PDT by dfwgator
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