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To: Gaffer
Not dictating the caliber of the new weapon, but is instead “Performance Based Specification”....meaning it has to meet the defined mission. In this case, the article states only that it must demonstrate more knockdown power than a 9mm slug.

You mean knockdown power like the .45 model 1911? It could knock down a shed.

5 posted on 07/13/2014 2:48:42 AM PDT by USCG SimTech (Honored to serve since '71)
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To: USCG SimTech

Well, you’re right in the normal sense. I own quite a few of them.

However, there are rounds and calibers out there that have the equivalent delivered energy. Additionally, there are other slug designs anywhere from copper jacketed HP compressed powder to newer solid copper designs that open up like a grappling hook on impact.

I don’t think they’re gonna end up with a 45 auto cartridge because of size/weight and magazine sizes. If I had to guess, I’d say they’re gonna go with a .40 SW or maybe even a more exotic design something like a FN 5.7mm.

But, they could well end up surprising us all. Ain’t no telling with acquisition weenies.


9 posted on 07/13/2014 2:57:02 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: USCG SimTech

That’s what we all screamed when they switched to the 9mm

Jackasses.


12 posted on 07/13/2014 3:38:36 AM PDT by Mikey_1962 (Democrats have destroyed more cities than Godzilla)
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To: USCG SimTech
You mean knockdown power like the .45 model 1911? It could knock down a shed.

Yepper - slow and heavy so it doesn't just punch a clean hole without moving some body mass. Add hollow-point to the equation to make the body absorb all the energy and the shed don't stand a chance.

19 posted on 07/13/2014 4:16:49 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: USCG SimTech
You mean knockdown power like the .45 model 1911? It could knock down a shed.

Added bonus...its made in the United States.

28 posted on 07/13/2014 4:57:30 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: USCG SimTech

I reload for both. Energy level for 9mm and .45 are about the same and an order of magnitude less than a battle rifle.

FMJ ammo really limits what a pistol can do anyway. You are a little better off with the .45 but the difference in one shot stops is only about 10%.

If you must use a FMJ round, there are some more current cartridges that would offer improvement over both the 9mm and .45.


38 posted on 07/13/2014 5:36:54 AM PDT by dangerdoc ((this space for rent))
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To: USCG SimTech

10mm. Plain and simple.


82 posted on 07/13/2014 8:30:54 AM PDT by Rannug ("all enemies, foreign and domestic")
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To: USCG SimTech

IN over 50 years of shooting, I have fired a lot of weapons; long guns, pistols, revolvers, etc.
In the realm of handguns, I have NEVER been disappointed with the venerable 1911A1 firing 230 grain roundball ammo when the situation deals with man to man type scenarios.
If the US Military would step up to hollowpoint ammo for the 1911A1, and tune the gun correctly, there would be NO discussion right now.
The 9mm is a nice caliber, but lacks the net power-on-target that the 1911 brings to the battle. The 9mm was a compromise that considered women as the bearer. Give them a carbine.
Keep the 1911A1. It’s battle proven, and it’s got the power.


95 posted on 07/13/2014 10:11:47 AM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2016; I pray we make it that long.)
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