Posted on 06/26/2014 2:25:31 PM PDT by ckilmer
Morgan Stanley's Adam Jonas is out with an awesome and slightly hilarious note in which he argues Tesla is now, maybe, the most important car company in the world.
"Not even two years after the delivery of the first Model S, Tesla Motors has transformed from fledgling start-up to arguably the most important car company in the world. We are not joking."
(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...
That’s a hybrid and 136 grand.
The one I posted is an electric.
I take it that-the city-is the appropriate place to drive it? It would not work out here, even if it didn’t get run over by a truck on the highway. The nearest supermarket is too far away for a to-and-from trip here...
Doesn’t the purchaser of a Tesla receive a $7,500 federal tax credit plus any state tax credit? Not to mention those electric charging stations.
An electric vehicle that uses battery power storage is a technological and engineering dead-end.
With even the most cutting-edge design known today, batteries simply cannot cycle fast enough, SAFELY, to discharge and recharge in the fueling times that would be in the range of today’s hydrocarbon-fueled vehicles. And using the regenerative braking feature would be another way of pouring WAY too much charge back into the battery system for it to be safely absorbed. There has to be an auxiliary heat-dispersing system, much like the rheostatic system used on Diesel-electric locomotives, to disperse the excess energy generated.
Now, a truly well-designed EXTERNAL combustion engine, say a steam engine with a reclamation condensation system, or a Stirling engine, which uses hot air as a medium of power transformation, in conjunction with a hydrostatic drive system to each wheel with a pressure accumulator reservoir, and the engine running at a very narrow range of speed, could be optimized for some extremely efficient operation.
Or a really effective fuel cell charging and distribution system could be made available. If not, then perhaps a breakthrough of electric capacitor design which can be throttled according to demand could be some hope for the future.
Personally, I believe fusion power may become widely available first.
“The bad news came despite recent endeavors by the government of Socialist President Francois Hollande to revive the labor market by investing billions of euros into creating employment”
All the $$$$ went to graft.
“Until viable batteries are invented the electric car will be a sad, expensive joke.”
How about a car that goes 0-60 in 4.2 seconds with a range of over 200 miles and you can charge for free at the 100 supercharger stations.
Come on. Were talking about good ‘ol American car manufacturing, not some solar power company! BTW - the solar panel on the roof of the Fisker car cost something like $3,000. If you parked it at the equator for 20 years it will generate something like $34.86 cents worth of electricity. Something like an extra 2-3 miles of range per WEEK if it is SUNNY out. (Hmm - see several of them here in “sunny” Seattle.)
Yes, all good points. Living in the SF bay area, I see at least 50 of the Tesla S ($90,000) a day. I’m sure these are nothing more than toys of the rich. I apologize for posting the hybrid picture, I guess my point was that anything Tesla can do, BMW will probably do BETTER some day, thus cutting into the Tesla market. Thanks!
Morgan Stanley probably has a big position in Tesla they want to offload.
I’m sure these car companies are getting all sorts of easy loans, tax breaks, etc. Along with the customers. And of course it will only get better for Tesla and their ilk when states are forced to “go green”, and companies forced to reduce their “carbon footprint”. Crony “capitalism” at its worst. (Well, maybe not “worst” - obamacare is at the top of that pile).
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“Not even two years after the delivery of the first Model S, Tesla Motors has transformed from fledgling start-up to arguably the most important car company in the world. We are not joking.”
He groups a series of amusing anecdotes into three sections about how the auto world can’t stop talking about the California-based electric carmaker.
First there was the recent two-hour dinner Jonas had with the CTO a global parts mega-supplier. Half the meal was spent discussing how no one is doing what Tesla is doing to advance electrification and how suppliers are considering devoting new lines and facilities to make parts for the company.
Next are all the state governments clawing over themselves to land one of Tesla’s gigafactories, which could even someday end up moving the needle on U.S. GDP itself. Jonas said Tesla could wind up employing 20,000 employees directly and supporting up to 150,000 other jobs upstream and downstream.
And finally, there’s what the traditional automakers are saying, talk that has caused Jonas to go full Keanu.
“General Motors last year established its ‘Team Tesla’ to advance the development of long range EVs. A BMW engineer recently explained to us how Tesla’s presence has helped reinvigorate the spirit of automobile innovation that was beginning to run stale, further testifying that BMW will be a stronger company longer term because Tesla is around. Whoa.”
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/morgan-stanley-teslawhoa-2014-6#ixzz35mm8pRrR
Getting the cars out on the road will drive investment in battery technology.
Until then, my Expedition will be my car.
Until the fed entities like the EPA stop strangling the supply of energy, electric cars will only be a fad and toy for the rich.
For electric cars to become feasible, the supply of energy has to be increased from current levels. Obama and the EPA are doing exactly the opposite.
The belief is that “if you build it, they will come.” But it will only happen if the energy is there to charge the cars. Because increasing the supply of energy is no easy task. It takes years to build a new power plant.
Ya. And where will you charge it? In your garage?
That kind of energy stored in batteries could power a small city for a couple of days. You’d bring down the power grid! :)
Until viable batteries are invented the electric car will be a sad, expensive joke.
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Most people think that Tesla’s battery that goes 250 miles on a charge is the real deal.
That if/when he brings the cost of the Tesla down to the 35k range in 2017 as he has promised—that the Tesla will have a mass market.
I’m all in favor of this stuff because it will set off a virtual price war between electric cars and internal combustion cars that will over time grind the price of oil into the ground.
Dirt cheap oil kills the money that goes to the madrasses that are the opening of the funnels that sends al quaeda fighters around the world.
End of war.
Reagan did the same thing to the Russians back in the 1980’s. that’s how he won the cold war. He defunded the Soviet government by killing the price of oil. Because then as now the soviet/russian governments depended on oil for their revenues. When they couldn’t pay their people — they couldn’t command them. Since they had a command polity economy and government —when they couldn’t command anyone —things fell apart.
Bump
My golf cart (street legal), I use to go to Home Depot and Target and Publix. It looks funny when you are bringing lumber home from Home Depot on it.
“Actually calling them cars is a misnomer they are golf carts with windshields. For warm weather stuff like running to the neighborhood store and bank and such they work. BUT they will never allow you to travel far without spending lots of time laid over while you wait for the batteries to recharge.”
You are snarky at your peril! While I am not ready to give up the mobility of an IC engine powered car, I live in an upscale community just over the hills to the east of the Tesla Plant, and I can tell you that I see a dozen or more Tesla’s being driven when I go downtown to shop, and more out on our freeways. They are everywhere, and I have to say that they are elegant! The fit and finish on them rivals the best cars you can buy today. And now that they have a 300 mile range, they are an ideal urban/suburban vehicle. With today’s gas prices, people are going to buy them if they can fit into their lifestyle.
Now, even super cars are going hybrid. The new McLaren P1 has a 717hp turbocharged V8 and a 193Hp electric motor in combination. The electric motor is used for “torque fill” so the car has maximum torque to the wheels ( it’s 4WD) at all times. Electric motors are ideal prime movers because they produce maximum torque and stall, unlike IC engines which produce maximum torque somewhere up around 5200 rpm.
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