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Study finds genetic links between schizophrenia and cannabis use
Reuters ^ | 06/24/2014 | Kate Kelland

Posted on 06/24/2014 10:47:48 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd

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To: blackdog

You’d think that would give all pot smokers pause.


41 posted on 06/24/2014 11:25:24 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Responsibility2nd

The libs are gonna love this. More excuses for them to get away with murder and lies—the weed made me do it.


42 posted on 06/24/2014 11:26:31 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Just because I’m paranoid doesn’t mean everyone isn’t out to get me.


43 posted on 06/24/2014 11:27:56 AM PDT by READINABLUESTATE ("If guns cause crime, there must be something wrong with mine." -Ted Nugent)
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To: Nervous Tick

Actually it was the same cannibal who devoured a comedian.

He thought it tasted funny.


44 posted on 06/24/2014 11:28:17 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: Responsibility2nd

Hey but if you’re schizoid you can get a government paid subscription for even more drugs......ummm what was I sayin?


45 posted on 06/24/2014 11:30:08 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (#DELETE *.* GOV)
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To: DannyTN

Yikes.....should have given at least a warning on that pic!!!! lol


46 posted on 06/24/2014 11:31:48 AM PDT by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11))
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To: Fuzz

“Police and EMS would see more schizophrenics than the average person for obvious reasons.”

That’s not what I’m saying. Even controlling for sampling bias, as it were, there’s still more actual mental illness in the world than your average office worker or suburbanite would guess. Those law-abiding, high-time-horizing individuals have already undergone several levels of selection and segregation to separate themselves away from the human “average” — for example they’ve completed at least one and often multiple types of schooling, proving they can sit down and behave for years at a time in a constrained environment.

People living in nice little houses in nice little communities often don’t have the first clue how truly abnormal they and their neighbors are, truly there’s no real conception of how totally removed they are from human averages.

I’m not projecting from my abnormal experiences and trying to claim that they’re the norm, I’m saying that when I average my small percentage of the world and your small percentage of the world together, I get a figure that says there’s a lot more mental illness than you can conceive of (and less than I have seen on some workdays). I’ve already adjusted for sampling bias, as it were.


47 posted on 06/24/2014 11:32:00 AM PDT by jameslalor
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To: Responsibility2nd
The disorder typically begins in late adolescence or early adulthood and its most common symptoms are disruptions in thinking, language and perception. It often includes psychotic experiences, such as hearing voices or delusions.

Extreme sleep deprivation can produce the same experiences, which is why tweekers get so messed up, mentally. Now, look at the bags under the eyes of some of the folks in DC and tell me they've been getting enough rest.

48 posted on 06/24/2014 11:32:14 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: umgud
but does it mellow them out?

So did the "whirling cage."

49 posted on 06/24/2014 11:48:54 AM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarc tag?)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Tobacco and schizophrenia have an even closer correlation. Schizophrenics are 5-7 times more likely to smoke tobacco than the overall population yet nobody is jumping to the conclusion that tobacco causes it. Cannabis prohibition is 100% pure emotion elicited by big business/government propaganda.

There is absolutely no reason for government to be protecting us from ourselves in such a manner. This type of thinking will eventually continue into fatty foods, sugar, too much TV, overexercising, underexercising, driving too fast, sitting incorrectly, loud music, etc, etc, etc until everything not mandatory is prohibited. There can be no limit to how much safety is “enough” and we are already seeing glimpses of such a bubble-wrapped, warning-everywhere society. Is that what you statists really want?

50 posted on 06/24/2014 11:50:36 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: varyouga

So. You think that restricting marijuana is as evil as restricting soda or fatty foods.

Take your pro-dope ideas to the DUmp, pal.


51 posted on 06/24/2014 11:56:04 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

No shit?


52 posted on 06/24/2014 11:56:53 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's agenda—Divide and conquer seems to be working.)
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To: READINABLUESTATE

I’m not paranoid at all and I know for a fact that everyone is out to get me!


53 posted on 06/24/2014 12:05:05 PM PDT by 1FreeAmerican
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To: jameslalor

If that rambling, indecipherable post is any indication of your mental state, your percentages may have to be recalculated up a bit.


54 posted on 06/24/2014 12:10:00 PM PDT by Fuzz
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To: Responsibility2nd

Judgemental but, okay.

The same could be said of those who drink.

But yeah, getting up everyday runing multi million and billion dollar companies is one way I look at people.

Another is; if you don’t abuse. Don’t deprive others of anything of value and don’t rob others of their dignity or pride.

Don’t take advantage of others or waste their time.

I’m about that simple.


55 posted on 06/24/2014 12:10:13 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: varyouga

“There is absolutely no reason for government to be protecting us from ourselves in such a manner.”

It’s nobody’s business as long as you work for yourself and don’t drive.


56 posted on 06/24/2014 12:13:38 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: Wuli

Bingo!

It’s your head game and the stories you tell yourself.


57 posted on 06/24/2014 12:13:59 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Citizen Zed

Yuh kwayzee wascist....


58 posted on 06/24/2014 12:14:55 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: DesScorp

“I’m shocked, just shocked, to find that that constantly taking a brain-altering drug alters the brain.”

You do understand the difference between correlation and causation don’t you?

Example: Do you wear clothes? Wearing clothing is highly correlated with serial killing - most serial killers were clothes for most of their lives.

This is an example of correlation. Not causation. Wearing clothes doesn’t make you a serial killer, nor can wearing clothes be construed as a predictive factor for such behavior. Nor would banning clothing eliminate serial killing.

For every single CAUSE of an event you can think of, there are going to be hundreds, thousands, even millions of different correlations, and finding a correlation does not imply that said correlation is a cause. Correlation simply means that two or more things are often seen together.

In the example above, wearing clothing is a logical consequence of being human. Hence every single thing we human beings do is going to be correlated positively or negatively with clothing.

Further, it would be incredibly stupid to assume ipso facto that you can change something by changing something it is correlated with — as said you can’t get rid of serial killers by getting rid of clothing, even though those two things are highly correlated.

So, back to the article, people with a GENETIC PREDISPOSITION towards schizophrenia (and schizophrenia is a well-proven example of a mental/behavioral trait that is hereditary in nature) are more likely to use marijuana.

You can’t assume that meant marijuana use caused schizophrenia. Schizophrenia, as mentioned, is an example of a mental disorder that stems from hereditary influences, and this study further slices that definition down by only noting that people with a genetic predisposition for schizophrenia (not full-blown schizophrenics) are more likely to use marijuana. Hence, you cannot say that their genetic makeup is caused by their drug use. Assuming that something you do in your lifetime can cause your own ancestry is mind-numbingly wrong (absent time travel).

Nor would it be correct to assume that marijuana use is caused by schizophrenia (not marijuana use in general, mind you). The findings simply illustrate that people with a genetic predisposition to schizophrenia are more likely to use marijuna, STOP. No more, no less.

Extrapolations beyond that point, and all discussions about what “causes” the drug use or the mental illness, are beyond the scope of the study we’re discussing. Granted, extrapolations can by engaging and interesting — several of us on the thread have shared our anecdotal experiences with mental patients and drug users, and drug-using mental patients.


59 posted on 06/24/2014 12:15:28 PM PDT by jameslalor
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To: Responsibility2nd
There may be some truth to that.
The few kids I knew who smoked pot in high school weren't exactly firing on all cylinders to begin with.

60 posted on 06/24/2014 12:18:08 PM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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