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Russian government dumps Intel and AMD in favor of homemade processors
engadget ^ | Sharif Sakr

Posted on 06/23/2014 8:38:15 PM PDT by wetphoenix

Russia's policy on Western technology is clear: The country can live without it, especially if key issues like economic sanctions, NSA spying and GPS cooperation aren't resolved to its leader's satisfaction. It looks like this tough stance extends to US-designed computer chips too, as a Russian business newspaper is reporting that state departments and state-run companies will no longer purchase PCs built around Intel or AMD processors. Instead, starting in 2015, the government will order up to one million devices annually based on the "Baikal" processor, which is manufactured by a domestic company called T-Platforms.

(Excerpt) Read more at engadget.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Government; Russia
KEYWORDS: amd; computers; cpu; intel; it; mac; pc; russia; technology
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1 posted on 06/23/2014 8:38:15 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: wetphoenix

If only we could ditch all the Chinese crap


2 posted on 06/23/2014 8:40:18 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: wetphoenix
Russia's policy on Western technology is clear: The country can live without it

as long as they can copy it

3 posted on 06/23/2014 8:42:41 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: wetphoenix

A wise move on their part. In their national self-interest.


4 posted on 06/23/2014 8:47:14 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: wetphoenix

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!...You bet sure thing that will work really well

Reminds me of sending machines to France and having them replace chips sets that were US made with their own special equivalents.....It kept our spares room busy for a lot of years


5 posted on 06/23/2014 8:48:46 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: GeronL

True. but who can blame them?

I see this as a good thing ultimately. American companies abused the public trust siding with unconstitutional domestic spying. Let them feel the pain of lost sales. Personal I hope it bankrupts anyone involved.

But one would have to be crazy to think this is a new phenomenon. This goes back to at least the internet’s early days if not the BBS days.


6 posted on 06/23/2014 8:49:04 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Norm Lenhart

I doubt their processors will be better than Intel or AMD but this move doesn’t mean they can’t reverse engineer future western processors.


7 posted on 06/23/2014 8:51:19 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: wetphoenix

How much you wanna bet the “baikal” processors are reverse engineered from either AMD or Intel chips?

CC


8 posted on 06/23/2014 8:51:42 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (tease not the dragon for thou art crunchy when roasted and taste good with ketchup)
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To: GeronL

Oh I’m sure they are 486DX at best. Russia never could innovate worth a damn. If they Rev-engineer them too closely though they also build whatever we put in ours in theirs. And they likely can’t find what it is otherwise they could simply code it off.


9 posted on 06/23/2014 8:55:19 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Celtic Conservative

Based on ARM Cortex.


10 posted on 06/23/2014 8:55:26 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: wetphoenix

How Putin views the West and the New World Order.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W85OnL4xtY


11 posted on 06/23/2014 8:59:02 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: GeronL

Can you blame them? Why should Russia spend good money on research when it is available from the US? Industrial espionage is a big business and Clinton is known to have provided the Norks with critical technology, free.

How did we develop our missile technology if it wasn’t done with the help of Werner von Braun and other Nazis?


12 posted on 06/23/2014 9:06:42 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Norm Lenhart

“Oh I’m sure they are 486DX at best.”

They are 64bit 8 core ARM processors. They will be quite fast. I agree that their past expertise in computers sucks, but it looks like they acquired the tech for this and plan on building it into a profitable industry. I expect their recent alliance with China will be getting them some knowledgeable engineers too.


13 posted on 06/23/2014 9:08:21 PM PDT by FreeInWV (Have you had enough change yet?)
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To: wetphoenix

I’ve seen products made in Russia. Pure crap.


14 posted on 06/23/2014 9:09:03 PM PDT by aimhigh (1 John 3:23)
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To: Norm Lenhart

They could revive Red Star Linux while they are at it I guess. lol


15 posted on 06/23/2014 9:10:16 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: FreeInWV

OK if it’s AMD tech then it hauls arse well enough but then it not ‘theirs’ per se. Its still our tech though and if they build it as such it and whatever supporting chipsets still have our bugs in them.

At least that would seem logical.


16 posted on 06/23/2014 9:11:54 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: wetphoenix
Wise move.

Our processors are hardware-level compromised at the die level with back doors that are independent of the OS being run on them.

The Chinese have adopted the same stance. Clearly they get it.

17 posted on 06/23/2014 9:12:34 PM PDT by JOAT
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To: GeronL

Tthe IT industry went to hell when Commodore tanked itself. Amiga now...Amiga forever! ;)


18 posted on 06/23/2014 9:13:13 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Norm Lenhart

lol

I was reading about some of those hobby OS systems and a few were pretty interesting.


19 posted on 06/23/2014 9:14:39 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: aimhigh

It has improved big time in a couple decades.


20 posted on 06/23/2014 9:14:45 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: GeronL

Hobby my lilly white arse. Ever watch Babylon 5? that was ALL Amiga running a Video Toaster. Wintel/Mac didn’t catch up for nearly years. And at 20 times the cost.

Amiga was Unix with a GUI over it.

All things aside, read up on the Amiga. It is a fascinating story of tech way ahead of the market.


21 posted on 06/23/2014 9:17:24 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Celtic Conservative

“And comrade...is powered by vodka! Is brilliant, no?”


22 posted on 06/23/2014 9:17:43 PM PDT by hoagy62 ("Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered..."-Thomas Paine. 1776)
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To: Norm Lenhart
If they Rev-engineer them too closely though they also build whatever we put in ours in theirs.

Reminds me of a news article I read and cut out back in the early 1980s. There was a big international technology fair in Europe somewhere, and the Soviets were boasting about their own home-grown personal computers. Supposedly all Russian in design and manufacture. So a tech-savvy western reporter sat in front of the Soviet PC and tried it out. With a few keypresses he got into the system and displayed the contents of the ROM chips. All Apple-II machine code, including all the Apple copyrights embedded therein. Soviets slinked back to Moscow. Probably executed their chief computer scientist.

23 posted on 06/23/2014 9:18:12 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: roadcat

lol

You would think they would have rewritten that stuff


24 posted on 06/23/2014 9:20:21 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: roadcat

Zen question. What is the sound of one Freeper unshocked? ;)

That sounds exactly like Russian tech at its finest.


25 posted on 06/23/2014 9:20:23 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: wetphoenix

Considering the semiconductor plants are primarily in Taiwan I wish them luck.


26 posted on 06/23/2014 9:21:09 PM PDT by miliantnutcase
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To: miliantnutcase

That is the only hope going forward of independent countries wishing to remain unhacked from point of purchase. Build their own plants and tech ground up.


27 posted on 06/23/2014 9:22:54 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: roadcat
... and THAT anecdote reminds me of the CIA operation that duped the Russians into stealing software that destroyed a large segment of the Siberian Oil Pipeline.
28 posted on 06/23/2014 9:23:45 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

No, Lilly, I didn’t mean Amiga was a hobby OS.

One OS I wish would make a breakthrough is ReactOS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactos

If they could get it to work the way they wanted it would be an open source version of Windows 95 or XP.


29 posted on 06/23/2014 9:24:07 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Norm Lenhart

I remember the Amiga, everything I heard was positive


30 posted on 06/23/2014 9:25:10 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: GeronL

Lilly. I gotta talk to Jim about changing my name. It’s who I feel I am inside... ;)

I miss my amy to this day. I had a 1200 with an accelerator board and a math coprocessor. Every morning was christmas. you set up a 3D render at 320x240 and hit start. the next morning you had a raytraced mirrorball ;)

Today my PC runs Skyrim at 1900x1700 at 60 frames a second in 24 bit color...And I remember the dreams I had of one day owning a $50,000 Silicon Graphics Onyx system...

A mighty 6 MIPS if memory serves.


31 posted on 06/23/2014 9:30:00 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Norm Lenhart

lolz


32 posted on 06/23/2014 9:31:49 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: JOAT
Our processors are hardware-level compromised at the die level with back doors that are independent of the OS being run on them.

Yup, programmers will do that, it's in their nature. Back in the 1970s and 1980s I was writing system code for IBM mainframes, OS/360 and up. I put back-doors in for myself. None destructive. One of them would sense if I was running a program, and give it highest priority over anything else running. Always got my results first before anything else among thousands of programs running at the same time. I left the systems group and checked ten years later, and my code was still there through various upgrades of the OS.

If people don't understand what it does, they leave the code alone. Probably true of reverse engineering chips.

33 posted on 06/23/2014 9:32:29 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: Norm Lenhart

lol

It is amazing the things that cost so much then would be cheap now.

I remember seeing an external CD-R for a thousand or two dollars I think, that was early 90’s I think.... now laptops have DVD-RW built in standard or have bypassed them completely.


34 posted on 06/23/2014 9:33:58 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: GeronL

It did everything way better cheaper and faster than wintel/mac. Graphics (Ham8 mode) smoked win 16 colors, Sound (Paula chip) made entire professional level (techno) albums in an era Wintel had Soundblaster 8). Games were years ahead of everything on the market.

What it did not have was a company with ethical officers who plundered it into bankrupcy. It could have ruled the world. SerieZly. It really did have it all techwise.


35 posted on 06/23/2014 9:34:15 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Lazamataz

cool!


36 posted on 06/23/2014 9:34:42 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Lazamataz

Good one. Sorta like the Iranian centrifuges that were sabotaged by infiltrated software. Tweak the parameters and boom! Major setback.


37 posted on 06/23/2014 9:41:16 PM PDT by roadcat
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RWOW! Really held it’s value!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Silicon-Graphics-SGI-Onyx2-CMN-A015-Scalable-Deskside-Workstation-System-2-/111389930317?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19ef5b734d

Well...compared to a 486 ;)


38 posted on 06/23/2014 9:41:57 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: wetphoenix

39 posted on 06/23/2014 9:42:57 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: GeronL

DVD? Any decent one should have Blu-ray, even nicer.


40 posted on 06/23/2014 9:43:37 PM PDT by Monty22002
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To: Norm Lenhart

$999?


41 posted on 06/23/2014 9:43:43 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Monty22002

I forgot about blue ray.


42 posted on 06/23/2014 9:44:05 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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It could have ruled the world.

Yes. I remember those machines, fantastic colors and multiple sound channels, they ruled the video production arena among PCs.

43 posted on 06/23/2014 9:45:27 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: aimhigh
I’ve seen products made in Russia. Pure crap.

Like their rocket engines huh?

44 posted on 06/23/2014 9:46:40 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: GeronL

The ‘newer’ ones still go for 20K apparently. Damn. An iphone has 1000 times the power.

I wonder what the deal is. they went out of biz over a decade ago. Way old tech now.


45 posted on 06/23/2014 9:47:59 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: GeronL

One thing I’m noticing is that some are not coming with optical at all, which is a shame. You can still get USB 3.0 externals though. I rarely use optical but it’s still needed for a lot of things.


46 posted on 06/23/2014 9:48:00 PM PDT by Monty22002
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To: Norm Lenhart

IRS buying up spare parts?


47 posted on 06/23/2014 9:48:48 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: roadcat

I remember seeing pix from the day of Hollywood SFX houses with racks/render farms of Toastered 2 and 4000s.

Nostalgia is biting bad right now... ;)


48 posted on 06/23/2014 9:50:37 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: GeronL

Someone seems to be thats for sure. I know Govt used them in simulation/nuke stuff because of their power at the time...could be.


49 posted on 06/23/2014 9:52:34 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Norm Lenhart

I wish I had some of my old games back, I really loved some of those.


50 posted on 06/23/2014 9:55:10 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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