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NSA: Our systems are so complex we can’t stop them from deleting data wanted for lawsuit
WaPo ^ | 6/9/2014 | Andrea Peterson

Posted on 06/12/2014 9:18:36 AM PDT by mojito

The National Security Agency recently used a novel argument for not holding onto information it collects about users online activity: it's too complex.

The agency is facing a slew of lawsuits over its surveillance programs, many launched after former NSA contractor Edward Snowden leaked information on the agency's efforts last year. One suit that pre-dates the Snowden leaks, Jewel v. NSA, challenges the constitutionality of programs that the suit allege collect information about American's telephone and Internet activities.

In a hearing Friday, U.S. District for the Northern District of California Judge Jeffrey S. White reversed an emergency order he had issued earlier the same week barring the government from destroying data that the Electronic Frontier Foundation had asked be preserved for that case. The data is collected under Section 702 of the Amendments Act to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

But the NSA argued that holding onto the data would be too burdensome. "A requirement to preserve all data acquired under section 702 presents significant operational problems, only one of which is that the NSA may have to shut down all systems and databases that contain Section 702 information," wrote NSA Deputy Director Richard Ledgett in a court filing submitted to the court.

(Excerpt) Read more at m.washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: andreapeterson; edwardsnowden; jeffreyswhite; nsa; surveillancestate; tyranny
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NSA to America: we are a law unto ourselves, and can't be bothered to comply with your puny "court orders."

Sorry about that. Have a nice day.

1 posted on 06/12/2014 9:18:36 AM PDT by mojito
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To: mojito

bullshit


2 posted on 06/12/2014 9:20:17 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: mojito

Bump


3 posted on 06/12/2014 9:21:02 AM PDT by lowbridge
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To: mojito

When does the REVOLUTION commence? Had enough yet?


4 posted on 06/12/2014 9:23:28 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: vbmoneyspender

Times 1000.

Absolute worst case scenario - cut the power.


5 posted on 06/12/2014 9:23:55 AM PDT by Ray76 (True change requires true change - A Second Party ...or else it's more of the same...)
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To: mojito

Help! We are deleting evidence and can’t stop!


6 posted on 06/12/2014 9:24:37 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: mojito

Throw people in jail and I bet that will stop it.


7 posted on 06/12/2014 9:28:56 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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Throw people in jail and I bet that will stop it.

But that would require the Eric Holder Justice Department to enforce the law in a way that would uphold the Constitution, and both you and I know that that's not going to happen.

8 posted on 06/12/2014 9:32:15 AM PDT by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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To: Cheerio
When does the REVOLUTION commence? Had enough yet?

We are all witnesses to the death of our Nation. The coming elections this fall will reveal one of two things:

1- Should conservatives win a majority and begin proceedings in the House for impeachment AND stop the invasion from the south, then the USofA will have been given medicine to sustain her for a short while longer.

2- Should conservatives fail and none of the items listed in #1 above transpire, then we have maybe 10 years left before anarchy prevails and we become a 3rd world nation.

Our debt will consume us and when default happens, we stand to be invaded by military forces that our depleted and demoralized military cannot repel.

We sit idley by afraid of the police forces and other such institutions as to what they may do to us because we see ourselves as alone and isolated. This forum allows us to commiserate but to organize any resistance can bring devastating repercussions.

9 posted on 06/12/2014 9:32:37 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

” Help! We are deleting evidence and can’t stop! “

Gee, I wonder if that defense would work for the common citizen....

“My filing system at home is so complex that I couldn’t stop myself from shredding all my tax receipts...”


10 posted on 06/12/2014 9:33:02 AM PDT by GraceG
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I could get their systems to stop deleting data.

I could do it cheap, too.

Bastard liars. I'm glad Snowden exposed them.

11 posted on 06/12/2014 9:34:13 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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Ya sure, put a few of the leaders in jail and keep moving down the chain until this changes.


12 posted on 06/12/2014 9:37:47 AM PDT by CPT Clay (Follow me on Twitter @Clay N TX)
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If the system is so complex that they can not control it, then it MUST be shut down, because it’s doing things that it wasn’t intended for.
No other action is acceptable.


13 posted on 06/12/2014 9:37:52 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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To: unixfox

Many people have gone to jail for obstruction of justice.


14 posted on 06/12/2014 9:38:32 AM PDT by CPT Clay (Follow me on Twitter @Clay N TX)
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To: rjsimmon
This forum allows us to commiserate but to organize any resistance can bring devastating repercussions.

Why would anyone organize or plan resistance on a public forum?

15 posted on 06/12/2014 9:39:09 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: mojito

LMAO!!! “We are so good we can’t control what happens. We are THAT good!”


16 posted on 06/12/2014 9:47:34 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Happier than a Svoboda skinhead with a free new armband.)
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To: mojito

Nice try boys but no cigar.


17 posted on 06/12/2014 9:52:38 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: ShadowAce

Ping.


18 posted on 06/12/2014 10:00:05 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: Lazamataz

No power, no data loss. Problem solved.


19 posted on 06/12/2014 10:01:16 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: Psalm 144

20 posted on 06/12/2014 10:09:01 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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