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Police Arming for War against Veterans (2 VIDEOS)
Eagle Rising ^ | May 19 2014 | Onan Coca

Posted on 05/19/2014 7:56:56 AM PDT by PoloSec

Not only has the Obama administration waged war on our veterans through the VA Scandal, now there is whole new front of attack on our veterans we have to worry about.

In a terrifying news report on the militarization of our police forces – watch as a veteran officer of the Indiana police remarks that police are having to prepare for returning veterans with the ability to make IED’s (Improvised Explosive Devices).

That’s right. One of the reasons our police forces are giving for having to become more like military forces is the soldiers returning home from the front.

It’s scary watching our police forces become militarized… but it’s even scarier to hear some of their reasons for doing so. Crime, including violent crime, has been dropping across the country over the last 30 years, yet somehow this police officer believes that crime has gotten worse since he’s become a cop?

It’s reasoning just like his that is militarizing our police… and it’s a dangerous precedent to set.

So while local police forces all over the country are militarizing - the President of the United States is simultaneously pushing hard to take guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens… because “weapons of war don’t belong on our streets.”

In fact, while the President and the Pentagon pour these powerful military weapons onto our streets, they are demanding that we turn in weapons that are much weaker by contrast. Interestingly, the President seems to believe that our semi-automatic rifles have no place on the street, but he has no problem when local police forces get much stronger and deadlier weapons to use against us.

We shouldn’t stop there. We should restore the ban on military-style assault weapons and a 10-round limit for magazines. And that deserves a vote in Congress — because weapons of war have no place on our streets, or in our schools, or threatening our law enforcement officers. Our law enforcement officers should never be out-gunned on the streets.

Our founders endlessly debated the idea of a standing military force. In the end it was deemed necessary. Can you imagine how irate they would be to learn that today’s America has MULTIPLE standing militaries? The military, our police, and dozens of federal agencies are all now well equipped to control us… if need be.

I don’t want to sound like someone with a brain-load of conspiracy theories… BUT… if we’ve learned anything over the last few years it’s that we can’t trust our government.

So does it sound wise to give up our means of protecting ourselves (the 2nd Amendment) while at the same time watching our government arm all of its different agencies to the teeth?

I don’t think so.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; cw2

1 posted on 05/19/2014 7:56:56 AM PDT by PoloSec
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To: PoloSec

There is no reason for someone to want to take away your means of resisting violent coercion

other than they intend to violently coerce you.


2 posted on 05/19/2014 7:58:50 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: PoloSec

WHO is being protected?

Not the white Americans chased, beaten and raped
by black thugs, directed and run from the DO”J”.

Not the Americans murdered and raped by criminal illegals
released by the DH”S”.

Not the Americans now denied healthcare and law
by the self-serving, and EXEMPT, Congress.

NOT the Americans who are being disarmed as the
terrorists are let in by the busload, and given
weapons by Holder and Obama.


3 posted on 05/19/2014 8:00:37 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: PoloSec

Most police I know ARE veterans!


4 posted on 05/19/2014 8:00:59 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: PoloSec

We aren’t going to be able to stop the proliferation of the military weapons to local police forces.

It’s important, however, to change those things we can, and in this case one thing to change is our perception of those weapons.

We need to begin thinking of them as resources for our side, resources being maintained and fueled for us to use when they are needed.


5 posted on 05/19/2014 8:03:49 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Want to keep your doctor? Remove your Democrat Senator.)
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To: PGR88; All

Since so many VA deaths have occurred over such a long period of time due to ARIZONA VA Hospital waiting list procedures, would it be proper and honorable that former Vet, and current US Senator from ARIZONA John McCain immediately resign from the US Senate?

“If you don’t earn your pay, then you cannot stay!”


6 posted on 05/19/2014 8:03:56 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: PoloSec

Not sure if this is correct (great grandad war stories) but he said that Eleanor Roosevelt wanted to intern returning soldiers in camps because of the violence they did and saw would make them unsafe to return to society.


7 posted on 05/19/2014 8:05:34 AM PDT by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Intereferes With Justice. And Pay Your Liberty Tax Citizen.)
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To: PoloSec

Know this. This has been going on for a while and is more than just the ODimwit Admin. The danger we run is thinking that other Admins, ANY other Admins, would be better. They won’t. They too will do this to us.

Also, thinking that someone we with our guns can have ANY effect on tanks and drones is almost laughable. No offense meant, but that is a fact. They will let you keep your guns because they know that you.we can not stop them. Period. I’s been many a year since I was a Prosecutor, but even the less armed police/National Guard then would have zero problem stopping any size uprising.

It is time for us to break the trap they keep us in i.e. us against them. We need to pay CLOSE attention to the candidates we support. Just because someone says want we like, doesn’t mean they are on our side.

While most here get it, there are so many that don’t realize what grave danger we are in ... and it transcends Odimwit.


8 posted on 05/19/2014 8:05:43 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: PoloSec
Montgomery county Texas sheriffs dept. crashes DHS granted surveillance drone into Lake Conroe. Take a look at the military hardware in the picture. This is not local policing, it is paramilitary.

Every American should have alarm bells going off when they see this sort of stuff from local law enforcement. Scary!!

http://montgomerycountypolicereporter.com/mcso-drone-crashes-into-lake-conroe/

9 posted on 05/19/2014 8:07:00 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: PGR88

ALL the police I know are NOT veterans.


10 posted on 05/19/2014 8:07:03 AM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (Vote Democrat. Once you're OK with killing babies the rest is easy. <BCC><)
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To: PoloSec

Militarized police is bad but militarized agencies like BLM and Food and Drug is building an unconstitutional standing army that can claim it isn’t under DOD so it’s not really an army


11 posted on 05/19/2014 8:09:32 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: PoloSec

I was 12 years old when the guys started coming home after WWII. My NYC neighborhood was full of guys with parts missing or scarred. (I remember when a car backfired and three guys dropped to the ground. We kids laughed - and that guilty memory has haunted me ever since.)

It wasn’t the militarization of the police then, but the liberals’ angst over these vets. There was article after article about how the crime rate would skyrocket when they vets returned as “They were used to all that killing and bloodshed”.

To no one’s surprise but them, all these guys wanted to do is pick up their lives and make up for the years they lost. They were sick of the gore and violence.

Rather than apologize for smearing these guys when it turned out nothing happened, they began to mock Eisenhower and the early post-war years as “boring times” (snicker).

By age 16 I was politicized beyond my years over their hypocrisy.


12 posted on 05/19/2014 8:10:42 AM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: MrB

This country is getting dangerously close to declaring martial law.

Without relying on the official and Constitutionally defined military services.

This is part of the National Civilian Defense Force, promised by the Current Occupant way back in 2008, that would be as well funded as the US Military.

Target the REAL veterans, those with military combat experience, and “neutralize” them. Show your distain by making the VA treatment centers a distant and unattainable place for those wounded in the service of the country, by doing a purge on the commanding officers who would not fire upon fellow American citizens, from the top on down, by including the persons of questionable sexual orientation in the general service population, by placing females in combat roles and situations where they are clearly less qualified than the best of the male soldiers, and generally provide little logistical support for the troops in places of peril.

All part of a much wider agenda.


13 posted on 05/19/2014 8:13:51 AM PDT by alloysteel (Selective and willful ignorance spells doom, to both victim and perpetrator - mostly the perp.)
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To: SkyDancer
Eleanor Roosevelt wanted to intern returning soldiers in camps because of the violence they did
I don't know if that's true, but it actually wouldn't have been a bad idea.
When I left VN in '68, I stayed on Okinawa for 5 days to (supposedly) "get your uniforms squared away."
In fact, it was to allow a short time of decompression from combat.
Would be interesting to see a study of the frequency of crimes committed by returning vets over the last 100 years.
14 posted on 05/19/2014 8:20:23 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: RIghtwardHo

I have long studied asymmetric warfare as it applies to insurgencies and revolutions. Your fear of what is coming is justified, but your pessimism of outcomes is not. A protracted, armed insurgency by an industrious, resourceful populace has a better than good chance of throwing off tyranny.
Remember, there are many of us in their ranks. Many. Our puny rifles cannot stop a tank, but an EFP can. We are Americans who have crazy skills. Hell, the average Cletus can build an EFP with what he has in his workshop.


15 posted on 05/19/2014 8:21:52 AM PDT by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
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To: ExpatGator

lol I DO like your attitude.


16 posted on 05/19/2014 8:22:51 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: SkyDancer

“..(great grand dad war stories) but he said that Eleanor Roosevelt wanted to intern returning soldiers in camps because of the violence they did and saw would make them unsafe to return to society.”

Sounds just like Eleanor Roosevelt. She could give Hillary & Michele lessons in how to be a power b!tch. All three had flaky notions about American democracy & liberty.

FWIW, my grand dad, a WW1 vet & coal miner, hated the Roosevelts & in 1941 forbade my Mom from visiting Hawaii with friends. He warned, “that rubberlegs SOB will get us in a war with the lousy Japs before the year’s out!”


17 posted on 05/19/2014 8:37:01 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: Oatka
(I remember when a car backfired and three guys dropped to the ground.)

I remember when my cousin did that after getting back from Vietnam, I was 17 at the time, so my thought was "What the heck did he go through over there?"
18 posted on 05/19/2014 8:39:34 AM PDT by BikerJoe
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To: ExpatGator
Our puny rifles cannot stop a tank, but an EFP can. We are Americans who have crazy skills. Hell, the average Cletus can build an EFP with what he has in his workshop.

Also, you don't attack the "tanks". You attack logistics and personnel that support and operate them. Those MRAPs the police are getting will be driven by guys that live in our communities. They shop where we shop, drop their kids off at the schools our kids go to, etc. If going out to get the morning paper off the front lawn becomes a dangerous prospect, there will be fewer people lining up to apply for the jack-booted-thug positions that are available; either through attrition or self preservation.

19 posted on 05/19/2014 8:48:41 AM PDT by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: PoloSec
That’s right. One of the reasons our police forces are giving for having to become more like military forces is the soldiers returning home from the front. It’s scary watching our police forces become militarized…

Like brain-dead employees of the IRS and EPA the police have been told lies about vets, conservatives and Republicans. The hater totalitarians on the left want to kill American citizens...

20 posted on 05/19/2014 8:50:53 AM PDT by GOPJ (If dems will "death panel" our vets they'll damn sure death panel the rest of us...)
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To: PoloSec
Cool coppers!

Eating up steroids, shooting family dogs, using military hardware, targeting American Veterans, thinking everyone's crooked...

"You are illegally parked on private property. You have 20 seconds to move your vehicle."


21 posted on 05/19/2014 9:08:04 AM PDT by Prole
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To: PoloSec

I have my doubts the the U.S. Military will stand back and allow paramilitary forces to attack veterans. Officers do not swear to obey the President. They swear to defend the constitution against enemies foreign and domestic.


22 posted on 05/19/2014 9:37:30 AM PDT by thejokker
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To: PoloSec

***because “weapons of war don’t belong on our streets.” **

If this idiot had been alive in 1902 he would be screaming for a ban on the new fangled high powered Winchester 30-30 Lever action rifle, after Harry Tracy piled up dead lawmen like cord wood in his last prison break.

But then, people had more sense back at that time.


23 posted on 05/19/2014 9:38:56 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: elcid1970; oh8eleven

I tried researching under different key words but nothing really showed. I’ll keep trying to pin it down. Unfortunately GGD passed away so there’s no finding out.


24 posted on 05/19/2014 9:39:34 AM PDT by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Intereferes With Justice. And Pay Your Liberty Tax Citizen.)
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To: Oatka

*** There was article after article about how the crime rate would skyrocket when they vets returned***

I remember a Bill Mauldin cartoon. Willie (of Willie and Joe fame) is reading a newspaper. The front page has, in big letters SOLDIER SLAPS AUNT!.

He says to his wife..”Here is an article about a triple axe murder on page six. No GIs involved.”


25 posted on 05/19/2014 9:43:36 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Oatka

***I remember when a car backfired and three guys dropped to the ground.***

When my dad got back from WWII he was always jumpy at any loud noise. He would not let us have firecrackers. He and many other servicemen would drive way out into the country to keep away from the constant “POP,POP,POP!
Regular fireworks were no problem.
Any loud pop would make him jump, even a cutting torch tip when it popped would make him jump.

He was jumpy till he died.


26 posted on 05/19/2014 9:49:56 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: RIghtwardHo

Check your mail.


27 posted on 05/19/2014 10:32:39 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: alloysteel

>>This country is getting dangerously close to declaring martial law.<<

What’s the use of declaring it if you can’t enforce it?


28 posted on 05/19/2014 10:35:19 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: PoloSec

29 posted on 05/19/2014 10:39:27 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: ExpatGator
Our puny rifles cannot stop a tank,

The people in the tank have to get out sometime. Once out, they're vulnerable to rifles, arrows, Molotov cocktails, and a lot of other things, including garrotes. Don't become so fixated on the tanks that you forget the people riding in them.

30 posted on 05/19/2014 10:45:11 AM PDT by JoeFromSidney (Book: Resistance to Tyranny. Buy from Amazon.)
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To: PoloSec
So while local police forces all over the country are militarizing - the President of the United States is simultaneously pushing hard to take guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens… because “weapons of war don’t belong on our streets.”

My opinion is that the "people" should have rights to the same type of weapons as any of the civilian agencies, federal or state.

31 posted on 05/19/2014 10:49:34 AM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: RIghtwardHo
RE: Superior firepower. You fail to grasp the limitations.

Undeniable fact: Afghanistan.

Stone age fighters have not been pacified by the very weapons and forces you are so afraid of.

They are just flesh and they can be killed. They have to sleep and relieve themselves and eat and the 'puny' weapons you speak of can easily penetrate their body armor.

32 posted on 05/19/2014 10:56:48 AM PDT by JOAT
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To: RIghtwardHo
Your post must be one of the most ignorant ones I've seen in a long while.

There are many precedents that invalidate your proclamations. The Taliban are doing just fine now aren't they? AQ in Iraq were never fully eliminated and they're making a comeback now as well. The Vietnamese who held out against our military would beg to differ with your assessment.

Although it wasn't our military that is to blame for failed “police” actions over the last several decades, our military was only able to accomplish so much against overwhelmingly outgunned opponents due to several factors, the primary ones being the style of war being waged and the effect of a subversive media determined to keep morale for such actions at the lowest ebb possible.

Several hundred million arms in this country are more than enough to destroy any portion of government or our armed forces if there are enough willing patriots that are prepared to stand against them.

Granted that the gloves will come off when our government wages war against their own citizens, the same will hold true on both sides. While the government has the heavy weapons and tech, citizens have numbers which is a burden that will be difficult to overcome without the use of WMD’s, and when the conflict comes to full steam, the government may very will decide to use WMD’s as they will be facing tactics that would not occur in modern wars following previously laid down rules between countries. No, it will get very vicious and both sides will commit unbelievable atrocities like nothing most could bring themselves to imagine.

You have very little regard for the courage, determination and ingenuity of the average American, IMO.

33 posted on 05/19/2014 11:27:23 AM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: xzins

Did ya hear the FDA is getting submachine guns?


34 posted on 05/19/2014 12:50:24 PM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: JoeFromSidney

Read my whole post. Do not fixate on one sentence. I understand the big picture. The rifle comment was only in re the tanks and set up the solution (EFP’s). I well understand that the organic units utilized as targets will also stop a tank.


35 posted on 05/19/2014 1:14:24 PM PDT by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
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To: Turbo Pig

Exactly. Equipment does not run/fly or fix itself.


36 posted on 05/19/2014 1:15:29 PM PDT by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
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To: gundog

FDA agent with submachine gun: “I said put DOWN that loaf of bread...NOW!”


37 posted on 05/19/2014 1:39:26 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: oh8eleven
Would be interesting to see a study of the frequency of crimes committed by returning vets over the last 100 years.

I think you'd have to compensate for the increasing illegalization of everything — as a current-issue example, marijuana was completely legal [IIRC] in the `20s and wouldn't have warranted any mention, but today it would be a crime and go in some sort of record — that in itself would skew the by-the-numbers look of things.

38 posted on 05/19/2014 2:03:31 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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