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For the First Time, We Have a Detailed Model of the Universe
Atlantic ^ | May 8 2014, | Megan Garber

Posted on 05/11/2014 12:12:47 PM PDT by lbryce

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To: lbryce

Robert Jastrow (September 7, 1925 – February 8, 2008) was an American astronomer, physicist and cosmologist. He was a leading NASA scientist, populist author and futurist.

Quotes:

“Now we see how the astronomical evidence supports the biblical view of the origin of the world. The details differ, but the essential elements in the astronomical and biblical accounts of Genesis are the same: the chain of events leading to man commenced suddenly and sharply at a definite moment in time, in a flash of light and energy.”

“There is a strange ring of feeling and emotion in these reactions [of scientists to evidence that the universe had a sudden beginning]. They come from the heart whereas you would expect the judgments to come from the brain. Why? I think part of the answer is that scientists cannot bear the thought of a natural phenomenon which cannot be explained, even with unlimited time and money. There is a kind of religion in science; it is the religion of a person who believes there is order and harmony in the Universe. Every event can be explained in a rational way as the product of some previous event; every effect must have its cause, there is no First Cause. … This religious faith of the scientist is violated by the discovery that the world had a beginning under conditions in which the known laws of physics are not valid, and as a product of forces or circumstances we cannot discover. When that happens, the scientist has lost control. If he really examined the implications, he would be traumatized.”

“Consider the enormity of the problem. Science has proved that the universe exploded into being at a certain moment. It asks: What cause produced this effect? Who or what put the matter or energy into the universe? And science cannot answer these questions, because, according to the astronomers, in the first moments of its existence the Universe was compressed to an extraordinary degree, and consumed by the heat of a fire beyond human imagination. The shock of that instant must have destroyed every particle of evidence that could have yielded a clue to the cause of the great explosion.”

“For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountain of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries.”

Scientists have no proof that life was not the result of an act of creation, but they are driven by the nature of their profession to seek explanations for the origin of life that lie within the boundaries of natural law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Jastrow


81 posted on 05/11/2014 4:00:42 PM PDT by Zeneta (Thoughts in time and out of season.)
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To: lbryce
Here is the universe. Found at God's Gift Shop.

Blnk

82 posted on 05/11/2014 4:01:01 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: Chode
Chode, only you would understand the esoteric finer points of this subject.......LOL


83 posted on 05/11/2014 4:03:18 PM PDT by Viking2002
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To: Zeneta
What is “Dark Matter/Energy” ?

I've often wondered about that myself. You see magnets interacting with iron from afar. You see objects attracting each other in empty space. Supposedly it's caused by invisible waves. But what if it's waves riding particles of so-called dark matter? We can't see it. We can't detect it. We're just too dumb at this point. I just don't see how a wave of energy like gravity can act across completely empty space, without a medium, such as you find with sound waves using air as a medium. Scientists used to say atoms were the smallest indivisible particle. Then electrons, protons and later neutrons. Then they discovered those were divisible into quarks, and lots of different quarks there are. I think we're just too dumb to see really tiny particles that make up dark matter.

84 posted on 05/11/2014 4:03:52 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: lbryce
An article on a model of the universe, and not one FReeper has posted a picture of Miss Universe?


85 posted on 05/11/2014 4:06:49 PM PDT by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is it?)
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To: Viking2002
oh i'm SubGenius alright...
86 posted on 05/11/2014 5:06:59 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: lbryce

Why pay attention to a journal that can’t tell the difference between “except” and “accept”. Where did these writers go to school?


87 posted on 05/11/2014 5:15:48 PM PDT by Portcall24 (aer)
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To: Chode

Yeah, that’s what my senior English teacher told me in high school. She gave me a passing grade on my final term paper just so I’d graduate and they could get me the hell out of the building. I understand that was approved by an informal majority vote in the faculty lounge.


88 posted on 05/11/2014 5:19:02 PM PDT by Viking2002
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To: Viking2002
you too huh? i got a 64 on my english final, the war was still on so they changed it to 65 and said let the military deal with him... I'M STILL HERE YA BASTAIDS!!! 8^)
89 posted on 05/11/2014 5:36:49 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Chode
Yep. Imagine the shock and horror when my younger sisters started attending. One of my old teachers actually said - I'm not making this up - "My GOD, there's MORE of you????" LMAO
90 posted on 05/11/2014 5:42:27 PM PDT by Viking2002
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To: Viking2002


91 posted on 05/11/2014 5:51:50 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Viking2002

“My GOD, there’s MORE of you????”

When my brother entered high school, one of his teachers
told him that he remembered me and said, “ I’ll keep my
EYE on YOU.”


92 posted on 05/11/2014 5:55:03 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Cboldt

Time dilation doesn’t change the age of the universe.


93 posted on 05/11/2014 6:10:13 PM PDT by GunRunner
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To: tet68; Chode
Another story - I'm not making this up: my buddy and I came in to school one cold morning in February (same year), hungover, and decided we didn't feel like attending class that day. We knew these girls who attended a high school about 30 minutes down the road. So, we did what any red-blooded American teens would to - we drove down there, found a pay phone, called the principal's office, and my buddy identified himself as a parent of one the aforementioned young country debutantes. They let us in through the back door of the girls' locker room, where we spent a couple hours - there are still Polaroids floating around somewhere to prove it. If it weren't for the fact that someone snitched to the principal (who not only came looking for us, but was the brother of our gym teacher), we'd have gotten away with it. Word of our little escapade preceded us. The next morning, there was a special PA page put out school-wide for us to report to the vice-principal's office. Not only weren't our widdle heads hanging in shame, we felt like conquering heroes - every homeroom we passed had kids hanging out the doors, cheering us like we'd just shot John Dillinger. Or helped him rob a bank. After a thorough gluteal mastication by the principal (who knew my dad - that left a mark), the VP came in, shut the door, and just sat at his desk silently for a moment. We were envisioning the gallows, being drawn-and-quartered, even (*GULP!*) having to apologize in front of the school. Then, we just heard this little chuckle coming out of him that gradually turned into a full belly laugh. It was a 'WTF?" moment for the ages. He finally said, "Fellas, in all the years I've been in this public school system, I have never seen anyone with the stones to pull what you pulled yesterday. And you were invited in. (He was known as a bit of a pervert.) If it was up to me, I'd let you walk, but given your disciplinary record this past year, I gotta do something. One month, in-school detention. I'm not gonna suspend you outright because I'm too old to deal with another year of you, and this is just too original."

A motivating factor in the faculty vote to graduate us by the skin of our teeth. True story. I heard from my youngest sister (by seven years) that they were still talking about it when she attended.

94 posted on 05/11/2014 6:23:23 PM PDT by Viking2002
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To: Viking2002
tooo funny, another year of you or be rid of you, sometimes even the school realizes they have to pick their battles...
95 posted on 05/11/2014 6:28:37 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Chode
And I actually went to college and the army after that. And came out relatively unscathed on both counts. I guess we were just ready to spread our wings at an early age. LOL High school was just a slightly more tame version of Animal House for us. Not by much, but tamer. I can't mention other stuff because I'm still not sure if the statute of limitations has run out yet.
96 posted on 05/11/2014 6:36:55 PM PDT by Viking2002
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To: Viking2002
no sense testing them
97 posted on 05/11/2014 6:54:53 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Gideon7

Well said Gideon. It kind of correlates with some of my thinking over the years. When I first learned about the role of the observer in quantum mechanics years ago, a lot of stuff started to make sense.


98 posted on 05/11/2014 7:26:41 PM PDT by zeugma (Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened - Dr. Seuss (I'll see you again someday Hope))
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To: lbryce; null and void; brytlea; cripplecreek; decimon; bigheadfred; KoRn; Grammy; steelyourfaith; ..
Thanks! Related (from APoD): Astronomy Picture of the Day -- Illustris Simulation of the Universe.
99 posted on 05/12/2014 9:56:58 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Thanks for posting the article to your pings list.


100 posted on 05/12/2014 11:24:30 PM PDT by lbryce (Barack Hussein Obama:The Worst is Yet to Come)
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